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Sporran will be fine but for Scotland games its normal practice that the stewards will want to take a quick look inside it.

The East Stand is fine as long as you are high enough up.

Will be there +1

Danny Williams Ocean steals the win for Inverness

That he did

I would go for new St Mirren Park. By virtue of living in Glasgow I don't I've missed more than one ICT away game there since it opened. Only other rivals to this might be Easter Road or Victoria Park.

It has taken me a while but I've come up with a conservative estimate of 282 games going back to 99/00. Im sure my Dad would have taken me to plenty more games before then but putting an estimate on it would be difficult. I think I actually have a recollection of being at a game at Telford Street which isn't bad considering I'd have been about 4.

First day in the new job will be the 13th of July, nightmare!!

Glasgow city centre Close enough to even walk to the game.

It has been a long, long time since I have posted on here but today's events have encourage me to come back and add my voice to the dissent. An utterly spineless decision by the SFA in an attempt to punish Meekings for the officials mistake potentially preventing him from playing in probably the biggest game of his career so far. All of this to appease on of the two most disgusting, petty, vindictive and arrogant "football club" in the country. I usually make it to Parkhead for an ICT away game once a season this will no longer be continued, I will not give a single penny to that club again. They are the sorest losers ever. I am glad that the club has immediately taken the stance that they have and I support them in fighting this decision all the way. The chances of the petition posted in previous pages being recognised or having any real impact is slim but it can't hurt to sign your name to it, here is the link again in case anybody missed it https://www.change.org/p/scottish-football-association-withdraw-the-notice-of-complaint-issued-against-josh-meekingshttps://www.change.org/p/scottish-football-association-withdraw-the-notice-of-complaint-issued-against-josh-meekings Je suis Josh

So you are saying that you wouldn't want to risk having to play such lowly teams as, for example this season, Morton, Partick Thistle, Falkirk and Livingstone, who are obviously so much lesser teams than ICT ? Because each club would have different ideas on which to cherry pick and so a single proposal that got most of what was needed would have got part way there and made it easier to get the rest if it was really needed later. And of course the difference in class and ability between SPL teams and the current SFL1 is so great that they no top 4 SFL1 team could ever push a bottom 4 SPL team to need a 3 goal comeback and extra time in a national cup semi-fin... oh wait. But it keeps getting said that is what the fans want, but you are also saying you don't want to play the top 4 of the SFL. So where do the extra 4 teams for the top league come from ? Why is it abhorrent to have the possibility of playing the 12th to 16th top teams under 12-12 to 8-8-8, but brilliant to have the guarantee of playing those exact same teams under a 16 team top league ? For what it's worth I agree that a 16/18 team top league with extra playoffs and possibly an extended League Cup that gives back the extra home games would be a goal to get towards. I also know it cannot be done overnight and to get there we need to show that it is the way. IMNSHO, the proposal as was gave that chance to start the move. 1. It is not a risk to play these clubs I am extremely confident we would beat them over 14 games. The point is why should ICT an SPL team have their SPL season finished after just over half a season to play SFL1 teams. 2. Well they should at least try an isolated vote on each idea. Where is the harm in that? If they all get voted no then there is not much that can be done. 3. Missed the point entirely there. There was never a question on the gulf in class between a bottom SPL team and a top SFL1 team. The point is once again as an SPL club you should play a full season against SPL opposition. I don't care even remotely what the difference in ability is. We and the other 11 clubs are SPL teams on merit and therefore should not have to play SFL1 teams in the league season. The teams the get promoted to the SPL deserve to be there and I am pleased to see their clubs playing ours. 4. Missed the point again. If the league was restructured to 16 (not going to happen but lets just go with it for now) then the 4 top SFL1 teams would join the league. They would no longer be SFL1 clubs they would be SPL clubs. At the start of the season you would know that throughout the entire year you would be playing all SPL clubs. It isn't that I want ICT to play the same 11 clubs each year that is not it at all. What I want is ICT as an SPL club to play SPL teams all season long. Be there 12 clubs 16 clubs or 30 clubs in the SPL whether the league contains Celtic, St Mirren, Partick, Alloa etc. I don't care as long as they are designated an SPL club at the start of the season then that is good enough.

You are basing this on the premise that the whole point is to win prize money, and that is all the teams are playing for. Perhaps the idea was to stimulate the game through better competition and hence bring in more crowds, thereby encouraging the clubs by increased revenue and helping to attract individual sponsorship. Or maybe we are resigned to the fact that it is easier to watch it on ESPN or Sky Sports than to actually go safe in the knowledge that the club can get a cut of my £42.50 per month? No I am not basing it solely on prize money. What I am saying is I don't believe that reconstructing to this 12-12-18 would bring about any more competition or revenue than now. Speak for yourself with that last line.

I understand what you're saying about the re-distribution. But look at the overall picture. Under the new proposed financial restructure there would have been a significant decrease in the prize money for the top 2 in the SPL. Ok, there's a chance we may end up 2nd this season (fingers crossed) but for years fans have complained that the top 2 teams get far too much money compared to the rest. 3rd - 8th would get slightly less than what they would get now. Slightly less. 9th-12th would get around the same as they currently get. Teams 13-24 would have got significantly more than what they already get. So the disproportionate amount of money that the top 2 teams currently get would have been shared with the rest, significantly helping the teams lower down and at the very worst, a slight decrease for teams 3rd-8th. What this would have meant for ICT and what appealed to me is if we were to get relegated within the next few years we would have the financial safety net of extra money in the pot taken mainly from the current disproportionate amount in the top 2. So, overall more teams will get stronger with the level playing field and more fairer financial distribution. ICT would benefit knowing that that financial safety net is there if we were to have a disastrous season. I get that and don't get me wrong I am completely for financial redistribution such as that suggested. But we lose a little prize money and 1 home gate so I think the club would end up with a lower income through this distribution. Despite this, financial redistribution should voted in on its own and we can hopefully get some movement on the good parts of the proposals soon.

And under the current system it is impossible for teams to have no chance of Europe after 3/5th of the season ? The reports I have seen don't confirm either way if it was all protected measures or just the league structure. Even if it was just the league structure, then by offering the 9-3 more compromise has been given. The kudos you mention is one thing, they look good in the eyes of others and that in itself could bring in increased gates from away fans. "They helped us get a fairer share of the cash, I'll go to away games there". Fanciful I know but not impossible. And they could also be looking long term, giving up a little now, getting more overall income back into the game so they end up with more, remember 1% of something is better than 100% of nothing. Not with the current set up of 2 clubs being able to block anything for the other 40. But going to 12-12-18 with all the other things it would have brought may well have given us the stepping stone needed to get a set up in place that would have given us that. Of course if 12-12-18 had gone through, got Scottish football on a stable setting, given the excitement and competition we need, improved our UEFA and FIFA rankings, then been changed to a 16 team top division as that was the next step forward, there would still be those who say it would be a failure as it had to change. It may not be perfect, I have never said it was, but it seems to me to be right for right now. Something else may be better for another time. Some clubs may not be close to Europe after 3/5ths of a season but look at Ross County after 22 games they would have ended up in the middle 8 but now they have a chance to qualify for Europe why stop clubs having this opportunity. Not enough compromise there are too many other poor factors. Your point about away fans thinking they may go to away games of a club that helped them is possible but I don't think it alone would cover the losses I mentioned. I don't think a 16 team league will happen as there would be too few home games for clubs for it to be voted through but that is a debate for another time.

How? More money is would be redistributed from the SPL to the SFL so ICT would see a reduction in money through this avenue. 12-12-18 results in 36 games for the top 24 teams so that equals 1 less home game per season than now so again less money for the club. Sponsors are not gone to be queueing up to invest money in this product any more than they would now as it is still the same clubs just a different league system. So I don't see how it can possibly be financially a better package for us. Glad it has not gone through. I was going to paste in the financial re-distribution graph to answer but I see Don has already done that! And that graph shows that the red line (the proposed financial model) is lower than the blue line (current financial model) for the majority of SPL clubs. Therefore they would earn less money than currently through commercial monies distribution. I maybe wasn't clear enough with my point sorry. How is this financially a better package for the SPL clubs namely ourselves rather than Scottish football as a whole?