DornochCaley

I read skytext. Its pretty good for when im sitting with Sky Sports News on (Which is all the time). Only paper i buy is the Scotsman now. Mirror is full of English sport and little or no Scottish. The Record is traditionally a Rangers and Tory paper so i avoid that, and the Sun is Tory. The Mail is Fascist. I enjoy buying a paper out of the shop and bringing it home to sit down and read. Makes me feel a big man :P

Your new to football aren't you? Not particularly. The point of my post, clearly lost for which I apologise (clarity can be a weakness on my behalf) was to possibly identify those who play in a similar position, who have yet to stick one or two petulant fingers up at our country and its supporters. It would, in my opinion, be "better" to provide opportunity for these guys rather that doff the cap and grovel to a pompus ass who has treated us with such contempt. This was cemented by my obviously unreallistic comment (I have no genetic link to Bertie Vogts) to suggest playing a six man midfield. Will be clearer next time. Sorry. Mmmm seem to remember James Mcfadden missing his flight home for going out on the oiss and sleeping in. Or Garry O Conner going awol then blaming it on personal problems (when he was spotted out in the Burgh) and then not even bothering to apologise for it. Such short memories. And as for the above Kenny Miller performing in a Scotland top. He had one good spell donks ago and thats it. I've lost hope when he's trough on goal because it would be a suprise for him not to fluff it. It would be a suprise for Boyd to balls it up like his team mate does all the time at vital moments. Kenny Miller gets into those positions as he works for it. Boyd wouldn't get into them.

THat could be disputed. Though, as much as i hate him, i think he does a better job for Scotland than Boyd would.

Good sensible post Sorted :) Agreed!

Lets deal in facts - 7 goals for Scotland in 15 games. ONE of which was a penalty against Faroes. Let me run through the rest of the goals for you to clarify- GOAL 1 - v Bulgaria - "Premier League top-scorer Boyd took just 13 minutes to claim his maiden goal with a fine first-time finish as he latched on to Darren Fletcher's perfectly placed pass to lash in an angled drive. " GOAL 2 - v Bulgaria - "Boyd, however, put his side back in front two minutes before the break when he was first to react after Stoyan Kolev spilled Russell Anderson's shot following a well-placed cross by Teale." GOAL 3 - v Faroe - "Fortune continued to smile on the Scots when a penalty was given for a trip on Boyd after 23 minutes. The award looked a soft one and the Rangers striker's spot-kick was not well executed but slid under Mikkelsen." GOAL 4 - v Faroe - "Boyd doubled his tally on 38 minutes, running on to a fine Fletcher pass and slotting into an empty net after Mikkelsen had blocked his initial shot." GOAL 5 - v Georgia - "Kris Boyd opened the scoring, heading home from a precise Gary Teale cross in the 11th minute." GOAL 6 - v S Africa - "Scotland improved after the break and Boyd scored with a half-volley after 71 minutes following a superb ball from captain Darren Fletcher." GOAL 7 - v Lithuania - "A glancing header from Kris Boyd gave the Scots a half-time lead." Quotes from BBC website via links from Wikipedia. Consider also that he has only made 6 starts in full international matches, in which he scored 6 goals. 8 of his caps were as a substitute (3 of which were in the last 10 mins of the game, including one where he came on in the 90th min, while a further 2 were in 70mins+). Info for this came from the SFA website. Yes, the 'ugly' Boyd apparently only scores penalties for Scotland. Personally speaking, I think Boyd needs to play in a set-up where he is supported by a 'work horse' striking partner. Sometimes this isn't an option/luxury that Scotland can work with in a game where we are playing against a top side and are playing for a draw or stolen goal. However, in the opportunities that he has been given for Scotland, the FACTS show that he has actually returned a decent scoring record. Ok, fair enough. But look at those teams he scored against. We should be beating them anyway. With or without him. Its the teams such as Norway and Greece that we should be looking to challange. And i doubt Boyd will be a big hit against them. Rubbish. What about Gary Lineker, Ian Rush, Andy Cole, John Aldridge, Dimitir Berbatov, Ian Wright. None of them were any use outside the box. And your point is caller? Would you turn down Wayne Rooney on that point? Leave the personal insults to the playground. McFadden? A work horse? I actually support Everton and most Toffee fans were delighted to get rid of him as he added so little due to his poor work-rate. Boyd and McFadden are completely different types of players. Peter Beardsley was a far more skillful player than Gary Lineker that would drop deep and pick up. Beardsley was far more hard-working too, whilst Lineker could barely pass the ball, couldn't tackle and rarely took players on. But he did something else. He scored regularly. Looks easy but it's the toughest job on the pitch. Besides which, McFadden hasn't played striker regularly at club level in years. There is no-one that comes anywhere remotely near Boyd's goal-scoring record. To not put him in in favour of strikers that do their best work outside the box but rarely score is crazy. McFadden works twice as much as Boyd. Anyone who disagrees obviously doesn't watch either player on a football pitch. I am not a big fan of McFadden, but he is far more a player than Boyd. You are silly. Berbatov outside the box more than he is in it. Watch some match of the day, or even some United games. He usually gets the ball outside the box and either loses it or creates a great scoring chance. All those other players you mentioned did far more than Boyd did. Boyd is useless without a Kenny Miller type player. Yet those you mentioned could play beside anybody. Thats the diffrence between SPL class, and EPL class. No wonder the SPL is going so far downhill when theres people like you who think Kris Boyd is great, then wonder why the game is going downhill!

Yes

All time record in the SPL speaks volumes for me, especially given the fact he is only 26. And if he scores 5 goals against Europe's 'diddy teams' in Scotland colours then I'll be happy. Let me finish this statement for you. .. we need the highest quality players dispensable to us. We simply cannot afford to ignore the scoring exploits of someone like Boyd, when we are struggling to compete with the likes of Norway, Georgia and Wales. If we are to progress as a nation then we need the best players we have playing. You need to take off your tri-colored spectacles if you would rather see Iwelumo in Scotland colours ahead of Boyd. Off topic however, but I don't think Ferguson and MacGregor should be playing for Scotland again. Its funny, you mention Norway like they are a diddy team. Something they are not. Norway are a good side. I think we have a habbit in this country. A bad habbit. One good run in a qualifiying campaign and suddenly we are world beaters? No, we need to remember our place. We are not *****, but i think we just had a really good period to get to 13th in the world rankings. When Boyd proves himself at a higher level than the SPL, then i might cosider him a decent footballer. But currently, he is scoring against League 2 level sides. Celtic are a top quarter Championship team. Yet he can't even score against them. Sums it up for me. Scotland strike force of.................. McFadden----------Fletcher----------McCormack. But Fletcher has scored a few in the EPL. Something Boyd wouldn't do. Boyd for certain wouldnt score in the EPL? Thats a certainty yeah? I'm not so sure. Put the ball in the 6 yard box and more often than not he is in the right place to tuck it away and does. Granted he does not have some of the aboves skill. But look at the Hibs game just passed, Scored 1 and set up the other 3. I've said it before but boyd is up near the top of Rangers assist table in the last 2 years. He does more than just score. And Besides Dickov managed to score in the EPL. Think he may have got 7 total for Scotland if he's lucky. The SPL on average is a league 1/lower championship in standard. The old firm could compete in the premiership. They do no worse in the champions league than say, a Bolton, would do. So you have McFadden, Fletcher and McCormack. McCormack who was dumped by Rangers or Fletcher who was ignored by the OF until his price was too high. And our talisman obviously who cant pass a ball. He's like a rich mans Dougie Imrie. rarely looks up. And Ferguson was very good for Rangers before his injury, which he played through. Is the only player Scotland have, capable of making play (D.Fletcher does the simple stuff and allows others to play through his graft, and Brown runs around alot and can run with the ball at feet but isnt really a playmaker.) Too many people look at the OF and say that their players are SH*** but could it be they are good players playing with other good players as opposed to above average playing with mediocre players? Fact is, the old firm have the best nucleus of Scottish talent as shown by league position. They cherry pick the best for themselves. They dont suddenly become bad because they play for the OF and may not shine so bright as they did at Humpty FC. To round up i totally agree with Levien. We are not good enough to ignore anyone. Particularly anyone who scores 160 goals by the time he is 26, In Scotland. Changed the last bit for you. Its fine and well saying he scores that many, but you have to take into consideration how **** the teams are up here! Look at Bellamy. He scored for fun up here. He would top Boyd in the Scoring records if he was still at Celtic. But back in England, he works is arse off. He is known as a great finisher down in England. He is a great player. Yet most seasons he only just makes it into double figures. I don't think i have seen a striker like Boyd who has actually managed to do well in the EPL. A poacher doesn't make it in England.....Same goes for a International team who arn't exactly great. And btw, just because he has scored penalties for Dcotland doesn't make him a good International Striker. The only abilities Boyd has are being ugly as ****, and scoring against **** teams. McFadden works. He works like ****. Remember some of his great goals for Scotland? Lets look at his latest one. Boyd would never be seen that far back on a football pitch to get the ball there, he doesn't have the skill to get past players the way McFadden did, he also doesn't have the tanasity to keep going when it looks like the ball might be lost. Boyd is a one trick pony. And in a higher level of Football to the SPL, you gotta' have more than one trick.

Celtic should of won. But didn't. I thought the ref was good expect the goal and Lafferty's challange. Samaras and Fortune played some good football but the finishing touch wasn't there. Passed Rangers off the park. Boyd didn't have a sniff. As per usuall in a game against a "challanging" opponent. Celtic deserved to win. Shocking defending from Caldwell. Let his man free at the goal. Loovens was shakey as per. Couldn't lace Larssons boots? Nah, Boyd couldn't wipe Larssons arse. It is funny those who think Boyd is better. Larsson had a 0.84 goal ratio (Roughly) While Boyd has something like 0.68! Henke was proven at THE highest level of football. He came on and won the Europian cup for Barcalona. I would laugh if someone even insinuated that about Boyd. Boyd is a good finisher in Scotland. Nothing more. That was on show in the Derby.

All time record in the SPL speaks volumes for me, especially given the fact he is only 26. And if he scores 5 goals against Europe's 'diddy teams' in Scotland colours then I'll be happy. Let me finish this statement for you. .. we need the highest quality players dispensable to us. We simply cannot afford to ignore the scoring exploits of someone like Boyd, when we are struggling to compete with the likes of Norway, Georgia and Wales. If we are to progress as a nation then we need the best players we have playing. You need to take off your tri-colored spectacles if you would rather see Iwelumo in Scotland colours ahead of Boyd. Off topic however, but I don't think Ferguson and MacGregor should be playing for Scotland again. Its funny, you mention Norway like they are a diddy team. Something they are not. Norway are a good side. I think we have a habbit in this country. A bad habbit. One good run in a qualifiying campaign and suddenly we are world beaters? No, we need to remember our place. We are not *****, but i think we just had a really good period to get to 13th in the world rankings. When Boyd proves himself at a higher level than the SPL, then i might cosider him a decent footballer. But currently, he is scoring against League 2 level sides. Celtic are a top quarter Championship team. Yet he can't even score against them. Sums it up for me. Scotland strike force of.................. McFadden----------Fletcher----------McCormack. But Fletcher has scored a few in the EPL. Something Boyd wouldn't do.

Damn. Means we won't be calling him Caleyjags anymore! :025:

I can get a refund on the tickets i bought yeah?

I do not want him back. Any player that did what he did should not be alowed to play for his country again. No wonder players believe they are bigger than the Clubs now-a-days when their country do things like this! And his goalscoring? Lets see....He has scored a grand total of 1 goal against Celtic, and he has scored very few in Europian Competions. He has scored 8 goals for Scotland? Most of which have been penatlies. In a team like Scotlands, you need all the players working together. Getting behing the ball. Like Rangers did in their UEFA cup run. Its the way we will progress. But Boyd doesn't do that. Hence the reason Smith left him out of so many Rangers Europian games. I would take Iwelumo ahead of him. He is a proven goalscorer in the Championship which is a higher level than the SPL. Score 5 against a Dundee United side who looked like they were all headless. But he cannot do it against the big boys.

Damn right im going! Cannot wait!

I will tell you know, they are going the right way about it by offering pies! :024:

Calderwood and Collins will be the front two for both DU and Motherwell jobs.

Im not being negative when i say this, but i think Ross County will win. We might win, but i don't think we will. They have better players and a better manager. These two clicking together is helping them be the better team this season. And Don't bother calling me nagative, its just my point of view.

Atleast we know its not our Highland tastes that make us think (Or know in this case) that the pies are *****.

I can't make it to the game tomorrow so i will defo wear it against county! Hopefull me and Wyness101 won't be the only ones.

We will just have to do the Rooney song a lot to keep warm then!

:D Yes i did. I was crapping it i wouldn't have any! Should be a laugh. It was cold enough against Raith with my jacket on. But a Kilt in the snow? Fecking hell!

I was just wondering if many people were up for wearing their Kilt to the game against Dundee and/or Ross County? Thought it would be a good bit of crack for loads of us to turn up in them.

If I was in Butcher's shoes... yes I would And not forgetting perks like a company car, etc... I've been as critical of TB as anyone else on here since we got relegated, but I certainly don't see him as a quitter. You're missing the point.. he only seems to be interested in ICT if he can get us back in the spl this season. If he has already failed to get promotion then he isn't quitting he has just been unsuccessful. If he turned to the fans after the Dundee game to say I have failed to get promotion this season but plan to build for next (i.e. confirming he is likely to stick around) I think most would accept that but if not he'd be as well leaving asap so we can move on. "He's not a quitter, he's a loser." If he walks he is quitting, Rome wasn't built in a day. Know what I mean, Harry? But we are not trying to build a Rome. We are just trying to build a team capible of finishing atleast top 3. Something it looks like we are incapible of doing.

Looks fantastic. I actually want to buy this one.

I'm not saying he isn't improving. I just don't think we should all suddenly love him. No more than a month ago, maybe less, everyone wanted him hung by his balls. I think he has played better recently, but lets just see if he can keep it up first.

If Shay is such a magnificent keeper how come he had ten years of carnage in front of him at Newcastle? He was the only constant in that defence. He goes to City and the same happens. Richard Dunne becomes a "bad" player and gets punted. Micah Richards plays his way out of the World Cup. Lescott and Toure become duffers but according to the pundits he was Mark Hughes's best signing. He has had one clean sheet in the league since August. Silly thing to say. Given is a fantastic keeper and the Best in the EPL. To say otherwise is foolish. I say Pepe Reina is the best keeper in England so I am a fool. You are probably right. Shay has been incredibly unlucky with duff central defenders. Hardly ever keeping a clean sheet is just a coincidence. Given never makes mistakes. He makes solid saves every game. And nearly every goal scored into him he can do nothing about. It's the defence thats to belame. How can a keeper play top of his game when he isn't fully confident of the players infront of him?