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all that butcher can account for is the tactics on a match day. not giving away soft penalties, not missing easy chances and not players getting sent off.

has been one of the most inconsistent seasons weve ever had. and personally id put that down to injuries. butcher hasnt been able to pick the same team over and over like last season or the season before which ultimatly led to a great promotion push and our joint highest league finish.

so i dont see how bringing in a new manager or management team would help matters i agree with pele if thing are worse next season then it should be cosidered but for me that would depend on injury situation and what butcher does with his resources then.

remember last time butcher was under pressure and we stuck with him. when we were in mid table obscurity in the 1st division. he got us promoted. ive alway taken pride in the fact that we done that and im also proud that butcher is the longest serving manager in the spl.

stick with him through the hard times and the good times will come

Here's my view on it again realy can't be bothered putting any effort into posting on this thread again it's so tedious hearing the same old sh*t from the same old people

Much of what you say is true enough re: refs, injuries etc however that isn't really the whole picture, some of the damage was done before the season even began! Butcher took us from playing poorly/relegation and turned the team around and helped us to promotion and then to a good 7th place finish. But now he seems have gone backward and even taking into account our unusually large injury list we have still been very poor. He is somewhat responsible for players missing easy chances, poor defending within the team as the players that are failing are the players that he has brought in and deemed them good enough for the team. The players have to take some resposibility too of course as they have been poor also, some of the players today (and in other games recently) looked like they couldn't make a 10 yard pass accurately! I was also sad to see that the starting line up did not include one Scot, too many journeymen brought in going through the motions perhaps who don't play for the badge?

I think people are angry not only with results but possibly more so with the manner of our defeats, which has happened quite often this season. In a good number of games we have created heaps of chances without scoring any, then the other team goes up and scores with their one shot on target. That sort of failures are not about injuries that's a lack of concentration, organisation, ability and desire (and utterly stupid individual errors) IMO for which both players and manager must take responsibility. I personally don't really want butcher out (at least not yet) but that's probably more to do with the fact that I can't think of anyone better offhand TBH.

You may be tired of hearing the same old sh*t, but by the sounds of it (and the look of the stands before the end today) a great deal of people, not just a few are tired of paying their hard earned to watch the same old sh*t.

Hope this makes sense I've had a few drams lol!

Looking forward to this after the dross on show today, hopefully it will be an entertaining match. 1st time in hospitality (hope the meal is decent) so it should be fun, think I'll be hitting the bar in the Kingsmills suite tho after today's efforts.

He's here till next season at least, may as well see what he does in the close season and how it pans out up till Christmas. We can't afford to buy him out and I'd be quite surprised if he walked. He has made bad decisions at the end of last season and was ill prepared at the beginning of this one, there never seemed to be a plan and you got the impression he was just winging it at times. Other things like dropping some players at the drop of a hat while others could be convicted of mass murder and still get a start; playing folk out of position; bizarre substitutions; the same repeated after match comments, failure to learn from his mistakes (and admit his own errors) etc etc. Injuries have played a big part to be fair, hopefully we won't have to go through a season with as many again.

He's far from perfect but he's what we have for the foreseeable future so I guess we have to try and hope for the best! What else is there?

It was very strange sitting in the North Stand with barely anyone around for the last several minutes. Might have to get used to it for next season going by how many folk are saying they've had enough!

As for the game - missed the first half, wished I missed the whole thing tbh. 3 free kicks at the edge of the box and few other chances and not one shot on target, pitiful. Get Golobart up as centre forward must have a better chance than the other duds. What's his goal tally? 5? Could be top scorer. Shame most are the at the wrong end mind.

They've barely sold any of the tickets for the games in Glasgow. Lol.

If he's cheap fair enough, I don't feel he has the necessary skill to be a first choice striker. IMO he's best used as an sub when he can use his power, pace and determination to run the tired legs of defenders ragged. Not sure a player's banter in the changing room is reason for signing someone but u do get an impression that if ur face fits with TB then ur onto a winner.

Always nice to see the non Old Firm winning!

Well done Ross County on winning the Scottish First Division. Looking forward to some good derby's next season.

Here here!

Vampire

Will the county testimonial match still be played on the 22nd at 3pm? Need to book train tickets...

As far as I know yes. If ur on the old Bookface they have a page. Like it and check it out!

national

A possibility of Aberdeen, Hibs and Dunfermline at home! That should offer plenty of scope for unremitting negativity on this forum

Unless of course we pump each of them!

Human nature I guess CaleyD, people love a bit of juicy gossip! Regardless if it any basis on reality. I don't know how often people log in etc but, with the exception of a few I take most things (and posts) with a pinch of salt. At least they had the decency to put it in the rumour sub-forum.

All gone quiet with the conspiracy theorists over here!!!!

Exactly, why do people post rumours and conjecture in the rumour thread! Crazy.

TB needs to take more proactive action when things are not working, Tade should have been hooked for Winnall after an hour, take off McKay for Gnakpa, why not?

Because Gnapka wasn't on the bench?

He wasn't? Never realised, he injured?

If you control a game and do nothing up front to put the game to bed then it's all for nothing. It's a results business. IMO that's simply wasting chances and possession, not excellent play. Even after going one up we couldn't kill the game off. When things start to go wrong we don't seem to have the resilience to dig deeper and turn it around, which is worrying.

TB needs to take more proactive action when things are not working, Tade should have been hooked for Winnall after an hour, take off McKay for Sutherland (not at 90 mins!), why not? In fact why not start the next game with Gnakpa and Winnall, I always feel Tade would be beter as an impact player who could come on at around 75/80 mins and use his power and strength to go for tired defenders. Regardless Terry has his favourites it seems and they are above being dropped/criticism. It's not all Butcher's fault of course, some of the players need to have a word with themselves.

Hibs didn't deserve to win, but they scored 3 and we scored 2, unfortunately that's all that matters at the end of the day.

Another dram methinks. Sigh.

Edit- Didn't realise Gnapka wasn't on the bench, doh!

Is it true that Butcher wouldn't speak to the media after the game?

Presumably he's trying to work out how to explain to the press that this defeat, like all of our defeats, is everyone else's fault but his.

And, of course, he'll tell them that he's going to make 42 changes to the starting lineup for next week.

'Team of strangers' 'No day off' 'No one is safe' etc IMO will be the order of the day.

Winnall on for Tade pls!

2-3 Had to be that wee pr**k.

Hayes!!! Clearly an excellent shot lol! 2-2

1-2 FFS.

FFFFFFFUUUUUUU.... 1-1

Finally a PENALTY! 1-0!!

In my opinion, we are still one win away from safety and that status is far from guaranteed after a frankly disappointing season when we have definately gone back from where we were this time last year.

We are fortunate that the Pars have been even less reliable in defence than ourselves and that Hibs are at sixes and sevens.

We have similar resourses to St Johnstone and, in comparison with them, have definately under achieved.

In reality our season last year was made falsely better by a good start and a good finished. We barely picked up a point from November to March.

It's hardly false, our results over the season reflect the final position! Hardly matters at what points you have good or bad spells.

Strange as it may sound I hope that he is still injured as if he is fit he should be straight back into the team. Wednesday night was crying out for someone like Hayes to come on and make an impact.

Maybe he said something nasty to Foran and now TB is making an example of him! ;)