Fraz

I doubt we'll be allowed to include the incident in any highlights, and I'm not defending his reaction, but there was no raised hand, attempt to head butt or grabbing/holding of the player. Every time I heard mention of it after the game it grew worse and worse. Entirely right to have been red carded for acting in an aggressive manner, but it was little more than charging and getting right into the face of the guy.

No need for it, stupid thing to have done....but the guy had been niggling him the entire match...and that on top of the fact that OTJ has had near career ending injuries from such cynical challenges and you can perhaps understand his reaction a little more.

Don, no question from what I saw that it looked like he went to nut the guy. No idea about how much actual contact was made but the intention was there. If tv proves me wrong so be it.

owain with his history of knee injuries i think it played on his mind, for me that seems totally out of carachter.

You would think with the time he has spent on the sidelines already he'd not want to end up straight back there by his own doing.

first look at our new team for me.

like the centre back pair. warren looks like he can be a big player for us. no confidence in either full back on show today though

midfield i thought jones was having a good game and draper has presence.

up front oh dear

mackay cant hold the ball up, too light. means a team like killie the get possesion easily and keep for long spells

pick of the bunch for me were sutherland and doran

doran always comes sideways or turn and goes back. does not have the pace to take the opponent on or does not have the confidence to do so. head went down i thought after he should have made it 2-0 jonny hayes he is not

shane -- i will never be convinced this guy can can be a spl player.

he runs with the ball until he loses it, which is not very far. or he passes to an opponent.

had one great run though only to finish with a weak shot straight at the goalkeeper.

we should have put this game to bed after 20 mins. draper should have scored from close range, doran played in by jones i think and hits it straight at bell when it looked easier to score. rabbit in headlights comes to mind.

after that killie passed us to death without creating much, how they miss dene shiels.

should have stolen the points at the end with nick ross header.

are we so bad in front of goal or is cammy bell the best goalkeeper on the planet.

sorry to say i came away wishing i had kept my 500 quid in my pocket and not bothered buying 3 season tickets

I understand your frustration but ultimately it was one game, give it time. Fingers crossed and your decision will be proven worthwhile.

Roses

Happy enough with a point all things considered!

Utterly stupid from OTJ putting the head in like that can have no complaints. More missed games for him now, moronic especially considering our position. Raging.

FFS Killie players are dropping like flies. Attendance does look pretty poor tbh, sad to see. Decent game so far though...

No need to shout.

Obviously I'd love a top 6 finish. Realistically though I'd be delighted with 7th to 9th place. As Luke alludes to, injuries (or lack thereof) due to our small squad will play an important part in our season. Oh and of course above the caravan dwellers!

Europa League?

Yeah, though I don't know the place itself I know roughly where that is (cos I used to work in the East End). The 15 minutes is definitely not walking time!

I see that the club are sending out emails/letters to season ticket holders from last season who haven't renewed asking them to come and watch the new team and offering up 2 complimentary tickets to the Killie game. Good sweetener and if there are any places left on this offer it could see someone getting into hospitality and watch the game for £1 no bad at twice the price!

John, I really wouldn't worry it takes a bit more than that to offend me. I just don't want you (or anyone else) to get the impression I'm saying something that I'm not. Thus I've tried to clarify as it seemed you were misunderstanding my view.

Mind you the offer of a pint....

They both disappeared again and also I couldn't attach the screenshots I took to prove I wasn't going bonkers. However the issue seems to be with Firefox (v 14.0.1) as when I use Chrome, everything seems just fine.

Pics from Firefox-

Cheers Scotty looks fine now but I'd swear to Almighty Zeus it disappeared earlier. Perhaps I am going nuts.

Inspector

That's irrelevant - it's against the law to park there. No one can have any complaints if they get a ticket for doing so.

There's two car parks to use, plenty of alternative parking nearby (albeit you have a short walk thereafter) and there was (is?) a shuttle bus from the town to the ground. Plenty of ways to get out to the stadium.

Indeed, my point is that surely we can ask for some common sense to be applyed to the situation (which is what we ask of refs all the time) as the vehicles I'm talking about are causing no danger to or disruption to traffic flow or pedestrians. So could some common sense be used and say fair enough these guys are harming anyone, it's for one afternoon every 2 weeks whats the downside? If people are parking on pavements or on the road causing a blockage fair enough ticket them, I've got no issue with that. Seems the police have no problem with church goers parking every which way on a Sunday around the Haugh Rd, Riverside area, could the same leniency not be shown to footie fans?

Just to highlight....it was I who suggested giving the verge a miss, just to be on the safe side. https://www.askthe.p...ontent/Q655.htm

If you want to know "What the actual problem is" then you'll need to contact the police. The club are merely passing on a notice given to them to it's customers (which is good customer service on their part) so don't shoot the messenger.

Not having a go at you Don, nor the club as it's obviously nowt to do with them. I might contact the Polis for some Neil Lennon style 'clarification'! Dispite the fact that I'll probably not be driving to many games. Now I'm without the missus for the games as I plan to get drinks in at 'The Club' then get the supporters taxi with some of the other guys down to the stadium!

What a joke, people parking up on the verge (which I often do) cause no obstruction to traffic or pedestrians. What's the problem? Don't get me started on the chaos trying to leave the car park.

The main problem is that is against the law.

Very clever. Let me rephrase for you if it helps, what actual problem is the parking on the verge causing?

Perhaps if you consider other people a bit more you might understand, I'm not having a dig at you personally, but I take my dad out in his wheelchair and selfish inconsiderate people cause me to bump an 83yr old extremely sick man down a high pavement onto a road to get past and then risk being hit by cars driving too close to us. I then have to try and bump him back up. It's not pleasant and can be a bit scary ( I've nearly tipped him out twice). When my kids were young we had to take them in a double buggy, that was worse. If everybody was a bit more considerate and abided by the law then the world would be a bit nicer place to live in. Pavements are for people not cars or bikes, People double park in my street all the time and if you're in a car you can squeeze by but risk scratching/loosing your mirrors. We have been lucky so far in that nobody has had a house fire as there is no way a fire engine could get through when the streets full, in fact I think an ambulance may also struggle. As I said I'm not having a pop at you but please think about it. Your actions have a knock on effect on other people and think how you would feel if a kid got killed crossing the road coz a driver couldn't see them for your illegally parked/abandoned car.

You are having a bit of a dig at me, at least be honest lol. However I think you are misunderstanding me, where have I said it's OK for cars to park on a pavement / pedestrian area or should have carte blanche to park wherever? As you can see from what I've said above I don't condone that nor parking on double yellows on the road itself which would disrupt the flow of traffic. I have a wee one and we're often out in the buggy so I totally agree.The area I'm taking about very specifically is a rough grassy verge with brachen/bushes in places on the opposite side of the road from the stadium. Someone would have to be very daft indeed to walk accross the street from the stadium and where there is a nice wide pavement to walk down that, more so if they had someone in a wheelchair or a buggy etc. Hope this clears that up

Some people on here need to kerb their attitudes!

It's driving me mental.

Perhaps I was having a bit of a dig at you. I'm a considerate person and hate when other people, through choice or copying other people, do something that causes major annoyance, let me give you an example, On Mon I had to take my dad to the hosp and parked legally in the disabled spaces. When we came out somebody had parked their car in front of my car and the car next to mine and blocked us in. I couldn't go forwards, sideways or backwards and it took 20 mins to get the *** to come out and move their car. His attitude was something to behold, how ferkin dare I inconvenience him etc. He doesn't know how lucky he is that there are cctv cameras and a security man who did nothing to help but stood nearby watching. I was ready to punch lumps out of him, not the security man. You may think I'm overreacting but there were loads of spaces nearby, the lazy git couldn't be arsed walking so abandoned his car in front of mine so he could be close to the entrance. No wonder he was well overweight. His parents must be so proud of him.

That's prob the reason why I maybe overreacted a touch to you posts but the way you had written them made me respond. I don't usually get involved or contribute much, as you can tell by my post count.

You're quite right to say your piece that's what a forum is for and I don't disagree with what you say. But you seemed to think I was saying something that I clearly wasn't.

Also canne find my emoticons.

Maybe I'm going nuts but I can't seem to find the multi-quote button anymore. Where is it again?

Cheers.

That's irrelevant - it's against the law to park there. No one can have any complaints if they get a ticket for doing so.

There's two car parks to use, plenty of alternative parking nearby (albeit you have a short walk thereafter) and there was (is?) a shuttle bus from the town to the ground. Plenty of ways to get out to the stadium.

Indeed, my point is that surely we can ask for some common sense to be applyed to the situation (which is what we ask of refs all the time) as the vehicles I'm talking about are causing no danger to or disruption to traffic flow or pedestrians. So could some common sense be used and say fair enough these guys are harming anyone, it's for one afternoon every 2 weeks whats the downside? If people are parking on pavements or on the road causing a blockage fair enough ticket them, I've got no issue with that. Seems the police have no problem with church goers parking every which way on a Sunday around the Haugh Rd, Riverside area, could the same leniency not be shown to footie fans?

Just to highlight....it was I who suggested giving the verge a miss, just to be on the safe side. https://www.askthe.p...ontent/Q655.htm

If you want to know "What the actual problem is" then you'll need to contact the police. The club are merely passing on a notice given to them to it's customers (which is good customer service on their part) so don't shoot the messenger.

Not having a go at you Don, nor the club as it's obviously nowt to do with them. I might contact the Polis for some Neil Lennon style 'clarification'! Dispite the fact that I'll probably not be driving to many games. Now I'm without the missus for the games as I plan to get drinks in at 'The Club' then get the supporters taxi with some of the other guys down to the stadium!

What a joke, people parking up on the verge (which I often do) cause no obstruction to traffic or pedestrians. What's the problem? Don't get me started on the chaos trying to leave the car park.

The main problem is that is against the law.

Very clever. Let me rephrase for you if it helps, what actual problem is the parking on the verge causing?

Perhaps if you consider other people a bit more you might understand, I'm not having a dig at you personally, but I take my dad out in his wheelchair and selfish inconsiderate people cause me to bump an 83yr old extremely sick man down a high pavement onto a road to get past and then risk being hit by cars driving too close to us. I then have to try and bump him back up. It's not pleasant and can be a bit scary ( I've nearly tipped him out twice). When my kids were young we had to take them in a double buggy, that was worse. If everybody was a bit more considerate and abided by the law then the world would be a bit nicer place to live in. Pavements are for people not cars or bikes, People double park in my street all the time and if you're in a car you can squeeze by but risk scratching/loosing your mirrors. We have been lucky so far in that nobody has had a house fire as there is no way a fire engine could get through when the streets full, in fact I think an ambulance may also struggle. As I said I'm not having a pop at you but please think about it. Your actions have a knock on effect on other people and think how you would feel if a kid got killed crossing the road coz a driver couldn't see them for your illegally parked/abandoned car.

You are having a bit of a dig at me, at least be honest lol. However I think you are misunderstanding me, where have I said it's OK for cars to park on a pavement / pedestrian area or should have carte blanche to park wherever? As you can see from what I've said above I don't condone that nor parking on double yellows on the road itself which would disrupt the flow of traffic. I have a wee one and we're often out in the buggy so I totally agree.The area I'm taking about very specifically is a rough grassy verge with brachen/bushes in places on the opposite side of the road from the stadium. Someone would have to be very daft indeed to walk accross the street from the stadium and where there is a nice wide pavement to walk down that, more so if they had someone in a wheelchair or a buggy etc. Hope this clears that up

Some people on here need to kerb their attitudes!

What a joke, people parking up on the verge (which I often do) cause no obstruction to traffic or pedestrians. What's the problem? Don't get me started on the chaos trying to leave the car park.

The main problem is that is against the law.

Very clever. Let me rephrase for you if it helps, what actual problem is the parking on the verge causing?

What a joke, people parking up on the verge (which I often do) cause no obstruction to traffic or pedestrians. What's the problem? Don't get me started on the chaos trying to leave the car park.

They certainly cause obstruction to pedestrians who are often forced onto the busy road to walk round cars which have been inconsiderately parked on the verge and what passes as a pavement.

Issue tickets to them too, I say!!

Dunno what area u are talking about but the verge on the opposite side (firth side) of the sadium never have any pedestrians near it and with all the bushes etc they'd spend half the time on the road anyway. To say nothing for the nice wide pavement on the stadium side of the road!

What a joke, people parking up on the verge (which I often do) cause no obstruction to traffic or pedestrians. What's the problem? Don't get me started on the chaos trying to leave the car park.

Spirit

Desolate