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Well I've linked two incidents of people having smoke bombs in UK stadiums, the first one being in Scotland. So if whoever did it didn't know already, could somebody tell them that that could be facing a 7 year ban from football plus a 6 month sentence. I don't think the incident should be ignored but I do think it isn't an issue for CJT to deal with. At least its good to hear you say that its not going to be lumped in with the discussion about offensive singing. You throw enough of these provocative footballing terms together and eventually the police are dealing with a massive problem that doesn't exist. RACIST SINGING, SMOKE BOMBS, MISSILES, HOOLIGANISM, INVASIONS, DRINKING and god knows what else, they've all been mentioned at one time or another on here, theres no need to make the job of turning the few fans we have left away any easier.

im chuffed for them but what an opportunity missed by us

theyre no mugs at all this year, currently 1-0 up v celtic after 25 minutes

As I mentioned earlier, how many Celtic fans will be arrested for singing offensive songs, standing or being drunk in the stadium in a few weeks time? CJT could raise that with the police.

http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/192045-football-fan-let-off-smoke-bomb-at-airdrie-united-v-ayr-united-game/ 6 months. http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/Away-fan-smoke-grenade-Plymouth-Argyle-s-Home/story-16632248-detail/story.html 2 months. People do get in trouble for these things, do CJT really want to be seen as representing them?

I fully appreciate everything that Caley Jags Together has done, both the trust and supporters club over the years have worked hard for little reward, I'd never question that. The eventual coming together of the two groups was a no brainer. That doesnt mean they have a monopoly on representing fans views and should never presume as much. Davies opening post in this thread mentioned offensive singing and your post mentioned hooliganism, if in your eyes all of the above is linked to the incident involving some kiddie throwing a sparkler then obviously the local authorities will have every right to do the same. In one of your own posts you say- "The person who threw the smoke bomb should, and no doubt will, be caught and punished appropriately.", isn't that the end of the matter as far as other fans are concerned? Just like the singing of offensive songs, by all means let CJT question how offensive calling somebody a Gypsy is within the context of a Highland Derby, even though we all know the police comeback will be obvious and unquestionable. The actual punishment for singing something that offends can only again be dealt with my the police. The only thing that CJT could possibly agree with the local authorities is to ask for the opportunity to self police these issues, much like Davie hints at in his opening post with outing the person throwing the smoke bomb. If you're going to throw in offensive singing, hooliganism, people turning up to games drunk, fans standing etc etc etc then theres is absolutely no chance of CJT ever stopping it. The issue I have is pretty much what Joe accused you guys of doing, making a mountain out of a molehill, the plod in Edinburgh will eventually deal with the person throwing the smoke bomb and CJT have no real need to bring it up themselves. If you want to style yourselves as the voice of the fans then expect the police to eventually come calling on your doors when something serious happens, theres a danger taking up the baton of doing the polices job for them could backfire.

I dont understand what the CJT group are going to ask in this meeting with the police, are you going to ask them if its ok for ICT fans to call Ross County fans Gypsy B@stards? Everybody knows why they get searched and everybody knows why offensive singing at football games is not appropriate, how can searching fans be questioned at all when some take smoke bombs into the stadium? Are you going to have the police explain the obvious? You don't represent anybody but yourselves, so you cant know others motives nor do you have any right defending or policing them. If you want a real issue that CJT can raise with the police, how about the age old one of having different rules for home fans than away fans, especially the OF fans who come to the TCS. If they can reassure you that not a single offensive song, no missiles and not a single punter will be allowed to stand in the away end at the Celtic game later this month then, you will have achieved something. As for identifying fans and helping the police catch them, thats fine too but again, do it for the away end v Celtic, bring your own cameras if need be. If theres a single decent negotiator amongst you it won't be a difficult point to press home.

The game wasnt on TV yesterday. "I'm not convinced that the police will seperate out the issues, they will simply look to apply whatever legislation when enforcing the law. They will have done that with any others arrested at the game, and I don't want to see them have to do it to more." Theyre going to have to separate the issues, you cant use stop and search powers to check for somebody shouting gypsy and you cant assume that everybody who throws a smoke bomb is going to shout something offensive. "they will simply look to apply whatever legislation when enforcing the law" - you think they'll just make it up as they go along?

Ryan Esson is still the senior goalkeeper at the club and I very much doubt he would be phased long term had he come on and let n 5 penalties himself. Changing keepers is no different to bringing on penalty takers near the end of a game.

nor mine, these ott reactions are not going to help anyone, least of all the fans. whoever threw the smoke bomb will be dealt with by the local police in the same way theyve dealt with fans who have done the same at other games, most recent being the edinburgh derby earlier this month. if the police want to bring up the issue of missiles being thrown on the park aswell as chanting, then let them do so and answer each seperately. what you are telling us is caley jags together consider all fan incidents to be linked regardless of their nature, which will in future cause innocent fans to be deemed guilty by association. one person carrying a smoke bomb into the ground, then throwing it, is not the fault of the dozens of people required to chant something considered offensive. the police cannot arrest an entire group of people for one offence and then accuse all of them of another, so what gives cjt the right to do it? not everybody who throws a smoke bomb will chant something considered offensive or vice versa. count me as somebody cjt doesn't represent.

Just for the record Davie + caleycalum my post earlier for us to use are last sub for Esson wasnt a joke. I honestly think changing the keepers before a shoot out is as sound a move as making a sub to bring a penalty taker onto the park in the dying minutes, teams do it all the time. You never know it might have put a bit of doubt in the HEarts players minds.

st mirren have 90 minutes against celtic to go through aswell, should be a leveller

couldve played raven in nets and it wouldnt of made a difference

that was the reason they gave, strange it wasnt the keeper being picked to not take one, the keepers are busy enough on pens to not have to worry about scoring one too

i was surprised by that aswell but then who else would you put in there? lots of young shoulders out there today. i wouldve taken a punt on subbing esson on for antonio, im sure we had one sub left

mckay and shinnie missed sitters. their transfer values will be soaring after that

get esson on for pens

if we get there we'll be fine

been coming

ffs livescore.net has the scorer as G.Shinnie ive andreas shnniesta to score anytime and inverness win, £20 at 10/3. we need a second

whos this ******* jambo plumb on the radio like listening to that celtic tv with the ott bias

mustve misheard warren out though

foran apparently. and hes out if we go through

mark brown went for 150-200k i think when he didnt have long left on his contract