Gregor

Wow some real fickle fans on here tonight

Dundee utd 3.4 million loss so far by the accounts published

Probably treble our wage bill if not more.

4 hours ago, snorbens_caleyman said:

So he's unlikely to go to Hearts then... 

3 hours ago, lizi said:

Todorov had a good game v Queen of the South (I was there) and scored a goal but gets dropped today.  Why on earth?   On his worst day Toddy is better, more industrious, not scared to tackle, than White.  I am fed up of White jumping and missing the ball.    I am no football manager but fail to see the benefit Robbo sees in playing White week in week out for little return.   I would have Todorov starting, with Walsh too and Keatings.  Incidentally well done Charlie Trafford, he never gives up despite not being given a regular start.   Carson a good signing, improving every game.  

Lizi that is just not true lol

So glad you are not the manager lol

11 minutes ago, jagster said:

Haven’t read any of the previous posts and having been in the fluke since end of game my comments may be alcohol induced. Charlie Trafford totally immense today. Was totally committed and never gave up. Sean Rooney was the same until his unfortunate injury. We didn’t have the class to see off Utd White can’t win a header and his goal scoring record is shocking. No doubt Gregor and his stats will be on shortly but scoring goals against teams in the chocolatecaranelwafer thingy isn’t the same as goals in the league. God knows what his scoring record in the league is.   Without Welsh we don’t have the class for that final pass and we are struggling to break teams down. Draws against Alloa getting beat by Morton isn’t the sign of a team going places We are now in the position that we need to win Three more games than Utd this early in the season. Frustrating to say the least 

My goodness stay off the beer mate

This season may be the season Alan

15 hours ago, Scotty said:

then dont read it ... 

Brilliant Scotty

Alan will be scratching his head to try and beat that suggestion.

An extra 2 points from last last season and an extra 11 points from 2 seasons ago Alan

Best points total we have achieved after 8 games since being relegated

17/18 = 5  points  10 goals scored 16 conceded goal difference minus 6

18/19 = 14 points  10 goals scored 5 conceded goal difference plus 5

19/20 = 16 points  14 goals scored 8 conceded goal difference plus 6 

Reasons to be cheerful at this stage in the season.

Sounding a bit like a lot of excuses there Satan.

Not a good result at all, it’s a cup final after all.

36 minutes ago, IMMORTAL HOWDEN ENDER said:

                              ME, YOU AND PIKACHU    

                     

 

 

 

 

It was the day that the Highland Pokemon prevailed in deepest Ayrshire and I am sure that Pikachu was envious of the lightning strike by Shaun Rooney in the second half. It was my first “live” game of the season and the fare served up by the Caley Jags enthused and surprised me. That was as solid a team performance that I have witnessed for some time. We could have been ahead in the first minute when Miles Storey outpaced the Ayr defence but then dragged his shot slightly wide. And then game ten minutes of Ayr dominance. I felt that Ridgers kept us in the game three times, especially saves from McCowan and Moffat. Then on the half hour the away support lamented the substitution of Sean Welsh who hobbled off with yet another injury. But within seconds we were celebrating a contentious opening goal. Not many would have been surprised if the referee had stopped play to allow treatment for the poleaxed Jordan White, lying prostrate in front of the Ayr goal. But the referee played on and JAMES VINCENT appeared to deflect home a Rooney cross. Not exactly a carbon copy of his Hampden clincher but very important none the less. And I thought that we controlled the game thereafter. We were wholly solid defensively and looked dangerous on the break. The midfield certainly worked their socks off. Ayr’s final touch or shooting was well off although Ridgers did save us twice more in the second half, especially one save where he appeared to turn himself in the air when the initial shot was deflected. Roddy McGregor should have notched a second after the break but he hesitated and he who hesitates is lost. And then what must be a contender for goal of the season. In the 64^th minute Donaldson punted upfield and SHAUN ROONEY remarkably kept the ball in play, swiveled, sped inside and as cool as a feckin cucumber  slotted the ball home. Rooney could have claimed a second late on when Todorov failed to execute the through ball with Rooney sure to overlap again. Doran really should have made it three but slashed at the ball from the penalty spot. That completed another fine away day and the long journey home was worth it. Robbo’s after match comments summed it up and perhaps he really does think that Ayr are more of a danger than the Tannadice bunch - "We are only eight games in, but it is important that we are still there at the top of the table. We faced the best team in the Championship today and we asked the players to put on a performance, show their character and that's what they did in some style."

 

 

 

                     

 

 

And so to the Smileymometer and my apologies to the short-sighted Caley Stan !!  

 

 

 

RIDGERS  (*****)  On many a day he would have been MOM but he was outshone on the day by a Ross Tokely lookalike.

 

 

ROONEY  (*****) + Looking forward to seeing a replay of that goal. But apart from that he was solid at the back and always looked a danger when going forward – which he did menacingly on a regular basis.

 

 

DONALDSON (****) Looked more assured and far much more like his old composed self. Perhaps his fitness has hit the 100% mark ?

 

 

McCART (***) Tends to play in the shadow of Coll but he also looked assured and that central defence partnership will be a very important building block for the remainder of the season.

 

 

TREMARCO (***) Appeared to concentrate more on defensive duties which may well be his remit from now on.

 

 

VINCENT (***) Playmaker in the first half and very effective. Quieter in the second but defensively solid.

 

 

WELSH (**) Another bitter blow and leg injury allowed only 30 minutes of holding midfield at its best.

 

 

McGREGOR (***) Very lively, sharp and pacy. Some nice touches but too easily knocked off the ball. Did look like a wee boy on a pitch of men. But he can only improve and he does have the required potential.

 

 

DORAN (**) Never does shine when the game is mostly about defending. Has lost some pace and that shows at this level.

 

 

WHITE (**) Poor Jordan is simply not my cup of tea. His height and presence does attract central defenders but he does nothing in the air and his hold up play is lacking. His main contribution was the first goal assist !!

 

 

STOREY (***) If only he had that bit of panache and composure to add to the lightning pace – he really would be wearing a magic hat. More effective out wide though.

 

 

TRAFFORD (****) He more than successfully filled the boots of Welsh. He was winning everything in central midfield.

 

 

CARSON (***) Evidently taken on to beef up the midfield. The complete opposite of McGregor. No nonsense needed in a game of this ilk.

 

 

TODOROV (***) Still not the final product but I feel he is more mobile, is a better holder and has more pace than any other forward at the club. Probably a 

 

 

 

First live game of the season and so much to say for a part time fan  

7 minutes ago, bdu98196 said:

PT were the epitome of a team that downed tools for the last manager. They are a play-off team and the league position was false, they showed this on Sat. We made some individual errors but PT were much more clinical up front.

There were a few below par performances on our side particularly down the left where both Tremarco & Doran had shockers and Vincent was out of position too often and provided little in the middle of the park.

A wake up call for our team I hope. I fully expect PT to be up there with us & Dundee fighting for the playoff spots.

Absolutely correct , just like yourself I think PT will finish in top 4.

1 hour ago, Alan Simpson said:

It is correct trust me a man with inside knowledge aye Robbo must see something in him I'd give Todorov a start over the big man White missing to many chance for me 

All about opinions Alan but if money was offered then obviously other clubs see something in the bigman too, and not just Robbo. Suppose its his consistency of scoring goals at every club he has been at over past few years that brings the attention.

He has scored 20 goals for us and imo is the best striker at the club atm.

He certainly divides opinion that we can all agree on

3 hours ago, Alan Simpson said:

We were offered a fee for big White from St Mirren fcuk nos why we didn't cash in ! Be a long trip home from Ayr if we play like that again!

If that is correct then obviously the manager didn’t want to lose him Alan.

4 hours ago, Polo Chick said:

Vincent has been poor every game bar last week (but he was never MOM )yesterday was back to his usual he plays the ball backwards never forward also I do wonder how long Robbo will keep starting Jordan yes he scored yesterday but look how many he misses . MOM yesterday young Roddy no doubt 

Just out of interest Who would you start instead of Jordan PC? 

26 minutes ago, caley100 said:

Can't wait to see the highlights to see Jordan's thigh/knee/shin/heel ball control along the 6 yd  line.

Maybe when you are watching the highlights you will see his good play to assist the first goal too

Bigman should have scored tho with the chance you are talking about.

3 hours ago, Huisdean said:

Jordan White has his attributes but link up play certainly isn't one of them. Whether he was better yesterday, I cannot say as not at the game but that is something he really needs to work on.

Cannot agree with you as he is very good at linking up play 

We must watch different games

Think Robbo got it totally wrong today player wise and formation and could have cost us the game.

Keatings was injured he should have pushed Vincent up into his role and brought in Welsh from the start to partner Carson as the two sitting midfielders. This would have kept the formation together that was successful against Morton by winning 5 nil.

However he opted to start with Storey and White up top in a four four two which just didnt work.Thankfully he changed it mid way through first half and put Storey wide of a front midfield three. This allowed us to start passing the ball much better.

Second half he started the game reverting back to a 442  and White was collecting the ball spraying passes wide and getting involved in the game so well only to be substituted bizarrely imo for Todorov who did absolutley nothing.

We got lucky with the pen and gained 3 points from a game that the management got completely wrong tactically and got a lucky break to gain 3 points.

If something isn't broke dont try and fix it Robbo 4231 was working fine for us and if Keatings is out then play young Roddy in there with Vincent and Welsh behind as sitting two. Play White up top as he is our best man up there by a country  mile  to link play up.

If Robbo is so insistent to play Storey then it has to be as a wide player to replace either Walsh or Doran and not changing formation to 442.

Lucky day at the office today by getting the pen.

Still some would say its better to be lucky than good.

20 hours ago, jagster said:

I’d imagine Todorov would have had a fair bit less time on the field 

He has had less time 

brilliant impact player to have on the bench to come on against tired defences with his pace.

3 hours ago, Robert said:

Incredibly that would make our starting 11 numbers 1 to 11!

That’s a decent shout by the management team at the start of the season

Would certainly be unusual for any team to field a 1-11 nowadays with injuries etc.

Maybe See this soon

4 hours ago, TheMantis said:

The vast, vast majority of footballers pay to play, as I did. I congratulate any man or woman who manages to gain a professional contract to play football. As wynthank says, there is not the participation there used to be, and not on a par with places like the Faroe Islands, but it is still high. No point in people showing their lack of self-awareness by coming on a football forum if they don’t actually like football very much 

Absolutely correct Mantis

The majority of participating players paid or unpaid and the fans who attend games do so because they have a love of football.

11 hours ago, DoofersDad said:

It may appear to be grossly unfair, but the reality is that the disparity in rewards is a consequence of market forces.  Whilst I have tremendous admiration for athletes like your daughter and other sportsmen and women who work so hard to be the best they can in their chosen sport, few people have any desire to watch even top level athletes run round a track 25 times on a regular basis.  However, people are happy to pay to watch football week in and week out even when the players are far from being the elite.  For instance, I was at the game on Saturday and was well entertained.  In fact, had I paid twice the price I would still have felt I had got good value for money (although that is certainly not always the case!)

It comes down to personal choice.  If some people wish to pursue a sporting course which they know is not well remunerated, they they can hardly complain when they don't get well remunerated.  But then, that is not the reason people pursue these sports.  When you know your chosen sport does not offer significant financial rewards then what you are doing is, effectively,a hobby.  

Do footballers get paid too much?  Some are undoubtedly getting far more than their talents warrant but then that is the same in all aspects of the entertainment business and other walks of life.  But that is market forces for you.  The key to making money is not so much the level of skill required to do what you do, but whether people want to pay you money to do it.  

 

Well balanced post 

Totally agree with all you said.

Very good performance last night by all the players

Bit surprised reading on P&B s lot of negativity on our first half performance from those watching on tv . However judging by my view and those around me at the game we were all pleased with the movement all over the park  of the team which I think can be missed on tv.

Very enjoyable evening and four different goal scorers. It’s good that on the  front four positions we have two players for each position when Mitch comes back to replace the starters.

In our 8 games goals coming from all over the pitch and it’s good to see the forward players getting goals early season.

Great start in the league 2 home wins and coming away with a point from 2 visits to Dundee is very encouraging.

Great idea

11 minutes ago, TheMantis said:

Glad we can agree on something at last 

Have a good weekend Mantis 

Cheers

3 hours ago, Caley Stan said:

As per Mantis, I've got a lot of respect for the work White does, but he's not a decent goalscorer at this level - the stats say so. 

23 hours ago, TheMantis said:

 

Scottish Championship  career stats as per  Mantis ratio of our 4 forwards 

KEATINGS 0.33 goals per game

44 goals from 137 appearances 

WHITE  0.23 goals per game

 28 goals from 120 appearances 

STOREY  0.09 goals per game

 3 goals from 32 appearances

TODOROV   0.08 goals per game

3 goals from 35 appearances 

So Keatings and White have best ratio and as such should be played as a two pronged attack imo.

However whoever the manager decides to play lets hope that chances are created for the forwards to have a chance of converting.

By looking at total career stats and drilling down to Championship stats then my conclusion is still the same Keatings and White have proved they are the front runners for starting spots in the team.

So Stan,  if White isnt a decent goalscorer at championship level , he is still way ahead of  Todorov or Storey in his performance at Championship level.