Montrose @ home August

[TheNorthStander]

10 minutes ago, CaleyTennis85 said:

What I mean by "mindless idiots" is very clear, I am clearly referring to the ones that FRIGHTENED A YOUNG CHILD so I can be fairly certain that bad language would not frighten a child nor would what I'd call necessary chanting about these duds that you mentioned above, again, words don't frighten children. It's more the manner of these people so maybe it was the fact it was teenagers etc but I can't answer that, that would fall at @Leaky Blinder door to tell us in what way their child felt frightened . As I said there must be a reason why a child would feel frightened and that would come down to "mindless idiots" causing trouble in an aggressive way or maybe the fact that the chants were coming from teenagers etc.

 

Not wanting to get into a slagging match however it was not at all clear what you meant by “mindless idiots” hence my question as to my knowledge there was nothing out of order from the young guys said or done yesterday as I sit literally right behind them. Legitimate concerns about the shambles of a club we support right now are rightly seeing those young fans challenge the board, players and management team and they have the same right as you, me and any other paying fan to do so so long as it is within the law and from my experience that is more often than not the case.

Secondly, @Leaky Blinder has already said “cretinous shouting” was the reason his child was upset. Obviously, thats not good to hear of her having a negative experience at a game and I hope she can come back in the future and have a far better time. However I would say that frankly taking your child to any game for that matter up and down the country you are going to hear unsavoury things that you won’t like, unfortunately thats just life. Considering the Summer in particular we have just had and the last few weeks especially, there was always a high likelihood if not certainty that fans would be making their feelings felt. There are more than plenty areas in the ground where i’m sure any young fan attending his or her first game can go and enjoy the game in peace away from the Young Team in Section D.

@Fraz made a great point in the thread about us having one of the most laidback supports about and its true. As I mentioned earlier I genuinely believe this is a reason frankly that the board for the longest time got away with what they did for so long as not enough people were vocal enough at games to call out the mess behind the scenes as it was seen as a small voice in an otherwise silent support.

[CaleyTennis85]

37 minutes ago, TheNorthStander said:

Not wanting to get into a slagging match however it was not at all clear what you meant by “mindless idiots” hence my question as to my knowledge there was nothing out of order from the young guys said or done yesterday as I sit literally right behind them. Legitimate concerns about the shambles of a club we support right now are rightly seeing those young fans challenge the board, players and management team and they have the same right as you, me and any other paying fan to do so so long as it is within the law and from my experience that is more often than not the case.

Secondly, @Leaky Blinder has already said “cretinous shouting” was the reason his child was upset. Obviously, thats not good to hear of her having a negative experience at a game and I hope she can come back in the future and have a far better time. However I would say that frankly taking your child to any game for that matter up and down the country you are going to hear unsavoury things that you won’t like, unfortunately thats just life. Considering the Summer in particular we have just had and the last few weeks especially, there was always a high likelihood if not certainty that fans would be making their feelings felt. There are more than plenty areas in the ground where i’m sure any young fan attending his or her first game can go and enjoy the game in peace away from the Young Team in Section D.

@Fraz made a great point in the thread about us having one of the most laidback supports about and its true. As I mentioned earlier I genuinely believe this is a reason frankly that the board for the longest time got away with what they did for so long as not enough people were vocal enough at games to call out the mess behind the scenes as it was seen as a small voice in an otherwise silent support.

I also don't want to turn this thread into an argument so that's a positive so I'll leave it at that .  

First of all, I think what you stated about giving the board flak for what we've become is legit because it's about time they understood how much anger we have towards them for the mess they've created, the same should really be aimed at the management team for their part in this said mess and, as you stated a couple of posts ago, they are rightly getting flak for the style of dull and boring football we play so I again think this sort of flak is legit .

In reply to the issues @Leaky Blinder had, I remember there was a family section at the club which if I remember correctly was not far up from the away dugout so I'm not sure if that's still there and the @Leaky Blinder didn't know of that because family section would be more child friendly and likely free from this issues of swearing and shouting etc and fwiw I can understand why a young child will be frightened of "cretinous shouting" even if it wasn't in an aggressive manner etc .

As I have said above, I'm willing to accept/respect your opinion and move on in respect of the mods who will want to keep this thread on topic and not to upset @Leaky Blinder in any way .

 

As you say, most of our fans are sound people that go to matches to support the team and try and generate an atmosphere to help the players, we certainly don't have thugs that go to cause trouble with violence etc .

[+DoofersDad]

Matheus Machado returned to Inverness in midfield for Montrose.  When he arrived with us he showed terrific promise, so it was a bit sad to see him playing for a part time club and contributing so little to the game.  One wonders why it is that some players who show such flair at a young age seem to go backwards when they grow older.  It's as though the modern mantra of possession based football coaches the natural intuitive flair out of them.

[Scotty]

3 hours ago, DoofersDad said:

Matheus Machado returned to Inverness in midfield for Montrose.  When he arrived with us he showed terrific promise, so it was a bit sad to see him playing for a part time club and contributing so little to the game.  One wonders why it is that some players who show such flair at a young age seem to go backwards when they grow older.  It's as though the modern mantra of possession based football coaches the natural intuitive flair out of them.

That always seems to be the way with youngsters more recently unfortunately. For every Ryan Christie, there are 100 Machados who don't quite make it for one reason or another either as academy graduates or as youngsters coming into the team.

its not only a Scottish thing either. We see it over here all the time. Toronto FC has what's recognised as one of the best academies in MLS in terms of resources, funding and facilities and within a few years of formation in 2007 started churning out some really good prospects that looked exciting, but a stint in the first team seems to burn them out and they either have to move to restart a career or they just fade away. Just last week, we traded one young prospect (Jahkeele Marshall-Rutty) to Montreal for around US$1m which on the face of it sounds good, but as a prospect breaking into the team at 16, just a few years ago it was expected he would be the next Alphonso Davies and go to Europe for somewhere in the $10-$20m range around now. At least JMR still has a shot, but others take a similar route to Machado, they drop down to the 2nd team at their club, then perhaps to the Canadian Premier League, and maybe either USL or League One which are the US/Canada tiers below that.

[STFU]

He rejected a 2 year offer from us and then spent a year in Portugal before returning to play for Elgin.

He didn't do anything to really impress against us that I noticed so don't think we missed out.