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sorry for the delay (BBC's fault !!!) but video highlights of Accies game now up on http://ictfc.com/video for Ex-pats and those who cannot view the BBC highlights for some reason .....

Ahh, thats why were in the bottom half ... we only use 14 !!!!

The 'funny' part of the article that no-one picked up on yet (or at least posted about) Garry O'Connor did a runner from cops after they swooped on him in a drugs bust. O'Connor, 28, is believed to have been in a car with another person when officers approached, but fled on foot. Officers quickly caught up with the ex-Hibs ace in a lane in Edinburgh.

Most over-rated - definitely Andy Barrowman. We (fans) might not have rated him but management at the time did and pursued him above all other targets that close season. If its fans over-rating a player then I think I might have to go with Dean MacDonald.

LOL. That's what I get for viewing The SUN website

The original thread also uses the word "nabbed", the meaning of which could arguably be interpreted in a number of ways. You really can't be too careful in a situation like this and I would also suggest that CTO perhaps doesn't quite have access to the same pre publication legal advice or indeed the post publication courtroom resources which The Sun or the BBC would, if necessary be able to turn to. My advice to the moderators would be what it always is in this kind of situation - delete this thread unless you are prepared to be 100% across it 24/7 and at the same time totally sure of the legal status of every single word at all times. It is my understanding - and believe it or not we do have access to counsel should we require it - that the story is in the public domain given that it has appeared in the Sun and on the BBC and will doubtless make the rounds of other journalistic sites. It is therefore valid to discuss the content of those articles that are in the public domain but little else. We will monitor this thread (rather than shut it down) and remove or edit any posts which - in our opinion - cross the line in terms of posting 3rd hand 'he said - she said' sort of stuff or seems to prejudge guilt or innocence. As criminal charges have been laid I am afraid that kind of post is just not allowed. It is valid for posters to have an opinion on the matter, and that is fine, I have no problem with that, but priority #1 in this area - as it always has been when anything relating to criminal charges has appeared on the boards - is to exercise our reasonable duty of care to protect the site by removing those posts that may - however unlikely it may be - put us in any form of legal cluster****. Individual posters are fully responsible for what they post on here, and can be held civilly or criminally liable should they cross certain lines but as site owners we also have a legal duty of care in this area to remove offending material as soon as is practically possible, so please do not get offended if something that is posted gets edited or removed. we will not get into any whys and wherefores on the boards about this type of thing and anyone who wants to know why a post was removed or edited should do so by PM. Bottom line .... If we can all stay within the parameters of what is allowed in the discussion then fine, the thread will stay open, if we cannot, and it becomes too much work for the mods/admin then we will close the topic.

Problem is - and I know this all too well from our SportNetwork days where some sites got into trouble - is that what you know and/or believe has to be tempered in certain jargon to maintain the premise of 'innocent until proven guilty'. I would also note that I added "alleged" whilst the only source was the Sun and someone later posted the BBC version !!! I would agree with you that there is no 'alleged' in the fact there was a bust. Its there in black and white, it happened, and as a result of it, two people, identified in the articles were arrested and charged but everything else is and has to be "alleged" until such time as it is proven in a court of law. Edit: I just 'un-edited' my original editing of the title and first post based on the response above.

You beat me to it .... we do not want to stifle debate but please be aware that as criminal charges have been laid, the field of discussion on this incident, and therefore moderation of this topic must be quite narrow. Just as it has been where other criminal charges have been laid against any other player that has come up for discussion

Please not Collin Samuel. He was crap at Toronto FC and hardly set the heather on fire at St J. Would probably be looking for far more money than he is actually worth too

I think 170 games is a bit excessive!!! Given that multiplication signs take priority over addition signs in a formula then that formula actually comes out to 38 as you well know. However, just to keep you happy, maybe you prefer it as (3x11)+(1x5)

Looking at the numbers above - the most attractive (to clubs) might be to stick to a league of 12 but to do away with the split ....... You would have 44 league games with a guaranteed 22 of those at home (3 more than now). You would have 2 home games against the OF (1 less than now) and the final table would truly reflect a single league rather than a league within a league as it is now. As we have - until now - been a bottom six team, those additional fixtures would also tend to be against more attractive opposition. Based on averages (I know - not very scientific) .... I would suggest that the 3 additional home games would more than make up for losing a single OF game ..... OF games this year (3) = 7547 + 6799 + 6702 = 21048. avg = 7016 Home Games (excl OF) (16) = 64,349. avg = 4022 So lose 1 OF game = -7016 Add 4 home games = 4022*4 = 16088 Net gain in crowd = 9072 I also think some of the hidden costs would go down or perhaps stay similar ... you have more games but probably the same amount of policing and other costs spread over those games due to it not being OF games. You lose 1 x OF hospitality but instead get 4 games against sides only slightly less 'attractive' than the OF. I know its very subjective - as it always is when dealing in stats or generalities, but it seems to make sense. My only worry is that until now, I have been a fan of 16 but I seem to be convincing myself that 12 is the right number if we get rid of the split !!!!!

One reason for the split - mentioned on here - is that the SPL dont want a 44 game fixture list ..... I dont see why they dont then work backwards ..... As it stands, SPL teams play 38 fixtures: 3 x 11 + 1 x 5 (split) The League Cup is played over 6 rounds (although some teams do not enter until Rd2 or Rd3) R1 (32) = D3, D2, & D1 teams + 2 x SPL R2 (20) = Winners of R1 + 4 x SPL R3 (16) = Winners of R2 + 6 SPL R4 (08) = Winners of R3 R5 (04) = Winners of R4 R6 (02) = Final The Scottish Cup is played over 8 rounds (although some teams do not enter until Rd3 or Rd4) Prelim = If required R1 (35) = HFL, South and East of Scotland Leagues and Junior winners. (HFL, South and East winners bye to R2) R2 (32) = Winners of R1, HFL, South and East winners, SFL D3 sides R3 (32) = Winners of R2, SFL D2 sides, bottom six from SFL D1 R4 (32) = Winners of R3, SFL D1 top 4 from previous season, 12 SPL sides from previous season R5 (16) = Winners of R4 R6 (08) = Winners of R5 R7 (04) = Winners of R6 R8 (02) = Final So as it stands, a top SPL side who reach the final of both cups might be expected to play 38 + 4 + 5 = 47 games plus a handful in Europe. As neither the Scottish Cup or the League Cup are attractive enough to advertisers to have sponsors, and the league cup doesnt even offer European qualification any more perhaps it is those competitions where reform might assist the league ??? Serious question .... Do we even need the league cup any more? Lower league teams have the ALBA cup, all teams have the Scottish Cup, and the SPL teams are always bitching about fixture congestion. If we stick at 12 teams, get rid of the split, play each other twice at home and away, and allow teams in the SPL to either opt-out of the League Cup or to field a reserve squad then that might be 49 games for a side reaching final of Sc. Cup ... just two more than now! If we increase to 14, and presumably play each other 3 times then that would be 44 games for teams opting out - 3 less than now. However, you still have that uneven number of times playing each team that we have now. If we increase to 16, and presumably play each other twice then that would be only 35 games (or 39 if you stayed in all cups) and you might need to look at beefing up the cup competitions, perhaps with divisional cups or some potentially interesting group stages when it comes to the last 16. I just feel there is way more scope to tinker with the format of un-sponsored cup competitions and make sure the league format is fair and equitable. The biggest problem of course is that the Scottish Cup is SFA controlled, the League Cup is SFL controlled and the SPL is SPL controlled so until those three bodies amalgamate into one governing body for Scotland and make everyone pull in a single direction for the good and benefit of ALL (not just two, or twelve) then we will simply roll from one bad idea to the next to the next ......

alternatively ... just go to the league table page on this site ... our software cannot handle the split so puts us 5th !

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Current sponsors have first dibs on who they sponsored the previous season so we have first refusal on the Hayes and Cox items we sponsored this year. We will just need to see what else is available to replace Granty's sponsorship.

There would be one for each of the trialists with 3 left over just in case ..... Official language is Spanish but they recognise 36 indigineous tongues (and teach them all at school !!!!! [must be a long week]). So in official Spanish ........ "agente" or "representante"

Think you are spot-on. ICT have had 166 players to have worn the strip at some point or another over the last 17 seasons .... some for a long time, a few only briefly !!!! I know its not the same league or situation with regards to contracts, but I have the numbers to hand so am going to use it as an example .... Toronto FC, now in its 5th season of existence has had 112 players who have taken to the pitch (or been a sub) for the club so far in a total of 163 games. The player with the top appearance record has 92 games so definitely less time to bond and create that camaraderie in the squad as well as with the fans. TFC fans do have a chemistry and a bond with some players, just as ICT fans do with Grant, Russell, Barry, Charlie, Stewartie, Bobby etc (the list could go on) but many of the names on the list just pass through un-noticed and un-remembered and thats not something I can say I want to see at ICT. Part of the ICT ethos, and an often quoted reason for us "punching above our weight" is the camaraderie. I know part of it is because all the players travel long distances during the season together, but I would have to say that I am also of the opinion that a lot of it also comes from people who serve with the club for a long time ... like Granty or Russell.

And the SUN could not get a picture of him wearing ICT gear ????? typical !!!

moving to other football as this is a suggestion, not an actual rumour

still officially credited to Foran as far as I am aware. Looking at the highlights frame-by-frame when processing them, it is very difficult to tell. If they are saying it was over the line when it hit the post then fair enough, it may well have been, its just hard to see on video and in that case it's Foran's. However, if they saying it crossed the line after hitting the post then it should go to Rooney as he is the one to hit it over the line. Will add a few screengrabs of the relevant frames here soon. The highlights will be up on ICTFC.com in the next 15-20 minutes for anyone who has not been able to view them so far. EDIT: added screengrabs from video hits post. Inside or outside ? bounces outside of the goal line Rooney knocks it in What is not in doubt though is that it was a great "Bobbyesque" ball from Tokely to Foran in the build up though !!!

The E2E attempt may have proven to be too ambitious due to the time constraints put on you by the SPL conspiring with Mother Nature ... but in no way has the HM failed as between you all you will make it from TCS to NDP in time for the match. Excellent effort guys, keep it going, and here's hoping the SPL give you more than 64 hours to travel from one end of the country to the other next season !

Think it is the Telegraph that need to check thier facts ...... going by the video on their own site and some stills on Google, it appears he has a 2007/08 away top on under the shell suit ! Still image 2007/08 strip Telegraph's own still from video

like this version All the best TA songs seem to end up here: http://www.tartanspecials.com/tunes.html

Yup, will be sending him a private email with my own comments but I echo what everyone else has said .... We have stats, and we can look them up, and most of them are based on Ian's hard work over the years but with Ian, he doesnt just have the stats he knows them and can point out milestones or know they are coming up just as i he has his own spidey sense !

Just for clarification. Our sponsorship this year stretched to Grant Munro - Home Shirt Jonny Hayes - Away Shirt Lee Cox - Training Shirt