caleyboy

Wow, how can you have faith in a board which can't control it's manager, doesn't give him a budget to compete with the tinks and goes cap in hand every year to cover the regular £250k loss. This board needs a shake and get the man who is willing to make a very sizeable investment as long as long as a certain individual leaves the scene!

Adams on radio today saying Tokes is a major signing so doesn't sound like he is being signed to sit on the bench. Hopefully he will be on bench when we play them.

Let's not make excuses for Tokes moving OTB. He is a good journeyman pro who will give County 100% - something we have very little of. They are also in a far better financial position than we are because their "main man" is prepared to invest in something he believes in - FOOTBALL!

The problem now is that this club has no "ethos". If it ever had, Butcher has managed to drive it out with not a little help from the "Builder".

The "lending club" normally expects you to pay at least part of the players wage.

Correct. Butcher didn't want a DofF so Grassa had to step down. Probably helped Butchers budget as well. So the answer to the question is - Butcher is solely to blame!

story here: http://ictfc.com/new...are-on-the-way- This season really is a make or break season for us IMO and we really need to assemble a squad capable of firstly remaining in the SPL but also hopefully challenging for mid-table. Talking to players under contract?? Think league of Ireland is coming into mid season transfer window. Window opens tomorrow in Kenya and I think France season finishes soon. I suppose also that some players may be contracted in UK till end August. Players in Scotland/England will also still be under contract until May 31st in most cases but free to talk since Christmas if they are in the last year of contract .... English window is already open as far as I know as it starts at "end of season". the Scottish (and France, Germany, Italy & Spain) window officially open on July 1st, Denmark on 11 June, Australia on 1st June, Holland on 9th June. MLS mid-season window opens on 27 June, and as mentioned Kenya opens on Friday. lots of options, but the club can still talk to out of contract players across Europe anytime, its just the actual transfer date that might be up in the air if the contract is still to expire. I will stick my neck out here with one player name I think could do a job for ICT. Nana Attakora. 23 year old centre half, 31 caps at U17-U23 level, 3 full Canadian caps, not currently with a club, but registration may still be held by San Jose or MLS itself (its complicated). Had a trial at Hibs last year which was extended and Hibs fans seemed pleased with him. Not sure if he was offered a contract or not, but he was offered one in Germany but rejected it and decided to go back to MLS ...... after half a season without a club in MLS (and therefore with little or no wages unless he is drawing a basic salary from the organisation itself) he may be of a different mindset now and I know from personal experience of watching him in a significant number of his 68 appearances for Toronto FC that when paired with the correct partner he can be an excellent defender. Wages wise, he might be affordable too as his last published salary in MLS was $45000 which is about £30,000 per year or a little under £600 per week !!! Do the club a favour Scotty and email TB with this info or we'll be in the same dung as last year.

Believe what you want Alex but I'm afraid reality is a different story

I've got a question .......... What the feck is going on at this club? We don't have a full squad of players and we don't seem to be getting any closer to having one! No stability whatsoever - If we can't afford the players, lets put our hands up, get a mixed squad of youngsters and journeymen and compete at a level we CAN afford. Totally peed off with all this crap.

The problem is that we are anything but financially stable. We are losing at least £250k a year. No matter what some feel about clubs not being dependant on cash injections from directors etc - we just cannot afford to trade as we are doing right now. We are living on the breadline - our manager has one of the lowest budgets, if not the lowest, in the SPL so he has to deal in "non-traditional" markets. We cannot expect any better than we are getting under these circumstances. Attendances will probably continue to fall because of the financial climate and the product on offer. UNLESS we get cash injections of very large amounts we should be worried.

Where exactly do you think the directors can magic up this money from?. If more "fans" would come through the gates each week, we would have more money but so many things affecting football at the moment, don't think it is possible to try and get an extra 1000 people each week. Don't know hat St Johnstone are offering Tade in terms of cash but Dundee Utd are paying £1800 a week basic to certain new signings, how they can afford that, i have no idea but we certainly cannot. Nobody mentioned magic. Unfortunately, a sad fact of life. If we can't attract some quality into the squad we will probably go down. I don't know of any club, apart from Rangers, maybe Motherwell and ourselves who doesn,t have an ego chaser willing to put a few quid in to prop up the team. Give him credit, Macgregor has stuck by the tinks and right now, I'm not looking forward to meeting them next season. Sorry, but if our mob can't or won't invest then they should be finding someone who will.

If all the stories about us losing so many players are true, the directors of this club must pull their fingers out of their asses and give the management the tools (money) to keep us in the SPL! It will cost the club a lot more if we are relegated.

Quick calculation so there is a chance of a mistake ... but I make it as follows And he's still regarded as a first team regular!

He only wants an offer equal to what he is getting now which is considerably less than some others! As to who said he is being offered less money - well I think that is glaringly obvious.

Read in a local paper a few days ago that he has said "At my age, I'm not wanting to be on the bench, or a squad player." and "If I'm not going to be a regular, it won't be for me next year." Given his age, that seems to be a bit dictatorial. Is any player 100% guaranteed not being on the bench or a squad player? I always thought that was what football was all about....a team game, where the egos of players are subsumed to the good of the team. Seems to me if he is prepared to fight for his place as he said he was, why would he need guarantees of a regular game. Wouldn't his own performances give him the opportunity to play if he makes sure he can't justifiably be ignored? If it's about money, or if he has been told he is going to be kept not to play at all but to mentor the younger players as the only ICT real old-stager left , then that's one thing, so if he can get more money elsewhere then good luck to him......and I can see why he wouldn't want to be last choice in an absolute emergency for a game....but if it is just because he will be a squad player and not an automatic first team shoo-in then you kinda have to query his attitude. Nobody is entitled to a place in the starting line-up.or even on the bench. If he was wanting to go elsewhere I,m sure he would be gone by now. Let me ask you a question, Assuming you are good at your job and have been employed by your boss for over 15 years and come your salary review he asked you to take less money, what would you say?

Exactly why we shopuld trim the whole operation down and invest in QUALITY not quantity. £1m investment a year - you are having a laugh - more spin - this club has NEVER invested anywhere near this amount but would like us to think so. The whole thing is financed by grants and sponsorship. The club's return on investment is EXCEPTIONAL! Seems to me its you doing the spin. I never said the club invested that amount. I said thats what it costs. The football club does however invest in youth. The club takes on a number of apprentices every year. That means wages and insurances have to be paid for players and coaches. Off course the club invests. The bottom line in all this though is that perhaps the product at the end just isnt good enough for top flight. Anyone can see a bit of talent at someones feet but it takes a deal more than that to be a professional footballer. We dont see the attitude off the pitch. We dont see the effort put into training. I'm sure all those things are considered when choosing who to give contracts to and who to let go. Many of the contributers on this thread can only see, and be affected by, those youths that are being let go.They fail to see that the club are also keeping some. IAnd who told you that's what it costs? I do wonder at times if you are actually employed by this penny pinching club's spin department. The whole bluddy thing needs a shake man - QUALITY NOT QUANTITY!!!!!

Exactly why we shopuld trim the whole operation down and invest in QUALITY not quantity. £1m investment a year - you are having a laugh - more spin - this club has NEVER invested anywhere near this amount but would like us to think so. The whole thing is financed by grants and sponsorship. The club's return on investment is EXCEPTIONAL!

Obviously giving him an offer he can easily refuse. Why not just tell the boy he is no longer wanted!

Bloody Forres Car Repairs wouldn't have won the SHFL if we were still in it

I think, and if I'm honest, I probably hope next season is his last because I think that our wee club has lost a lot of it's identity over the recent past and I feel he has played a big part in the change.

Stuff County and all who support them. We have far too many teams to worry about without giving these upstart dwellers any attention on this (camp)site

The point is - the step up is too big for OUR players. Those getting a chance elsewhere are arguably far better than our lads.

Let's put this to bed once and for all - The U19 league is a complete and utter waste of time! Our club should propose that the SPL or SFA scrap this league and re-introduce the RESERVE league where at least 6 players must be U21 (of which at least 3 are U19). It will save us money, give youth a REAL chance to learn from and play with better more experienced players and it will also give our fringe first ream players game time. Probably more important, it will stop these kids wasting their time and being given false hope that they will be full-time footballers earning a good living.

TBH I'm sick fing fed up with all this s..te! I wonder what would have happened if it was US?

It really is a crap business, Procs is a decent guy but in all honesty was and never will a pl league player. Wish him all the very best and hope he finds a club soon.