Renegade

I thought he did amazingly well at Coventry. Ok at Sunderland. Good at 'Well. Not enough time with Burnley or Sydney. Can you explain why you don't or are you just looking at the sackings (in which case, would you then count Alex Ferguson, Arrigo Sacchi and Jose Mourinho as bad managers as they have also been sacked). Butcher was never manager of high flyers Burnley, he was actually sacked after a horrific managerial display at then lowly Brentford. And on your second point, none of those managers have been sacked time and time again, unlike a certain Mr Butcher. None of those aforemetioned names ever had a decent playing career (or in Mourinho's case, no playing career at all), and IMO that says something for their managerial skills when essentially mediocre (and sometimes not even) players (and in Sacchi's case, a shoe salesman!), can make it up to the heights of managing the sort of clubs they have. Mr Butcher on the other hand, is a hugely well known player, and with someone with his sort playing career as manager of a team like ICT, shows to me that his managerial skills leave a lot of be desired.

That's a good point, but after Butcher's rather relative success in his second season at Motherwell, he had essentially what Brew had at Dundee United twice! Two absolute disasters, at both Sydney and Brentford. If you actually compare the records of Butcher at Brentford and Brewster at Dundee United, they are really both as bad as each other, with Butcher's only really being slightly better (Butcher at Brentford - P23 W5 L13 D5 and Brewster at DUFC - P30 W3 L16 D11). Two managers who quite simply can't cut it.

Damn, i must be adopted! Okay, this is getting very creepy. I suggest you stop now before you take it too far.

This isn't a English class, if it's readable who really cares! That's the point though, sometimes it isn't and at the bare minimum, people should at least try and make an effort.

When Brewster was sacked, I for one was quite keen on seeing Butcher come here. To be honest, I admit I was rather naive. His record on the whole, is to put it bluntly, rather hopeless. Besides Motherwell (where, in his first season in charge he finished botton [only saved by Brockville]), he's been sacked from every club he's ever managed. He's had five managerial jobs before this one, and he's been sacked by four (six if you count his recent Scotland sacking). To me that paints a picture of a poor manager (how someone can actually say he's a "good" manager is very debatable and I sure would like to hear their evidence in saying so) and I also get the impression of him being someone who gets a manager's job, only because of the fact that he was such a big name in the footballing world. After all, how many Scottish First Division managers have a feud with Diego Maradona?! Tactically though, he seems to be rather inept. This can be seen in the way that he fails to combat the changes in other teams tactics, going into important games such as Falkirk last season, fielding a rather bizarre team selection, the freezing out of certain experienced players like Roy McBain, and the way that he seems to compelled (bar the recent dropping of Eagle) always to include his own signings (see the constant inclusion of the poor Daniel Stratford). I've also heard a number of allegations from both here and other places, that he does have a rather arrogant and nasty element to him. I also used to find it rather laughable when he's talking about the likes of Barcelona and Manchester United and saying what they should do, when he doesn't even get his own team to do hat! This post is not a call for his head. I understand and somewhat agree with the aforementioned attitude that it seems that when you come on here after a win it's all "Butcher is genius", and after a defeat it's all this "Butcher must go!" stuff. IMO he is not a good manager, but I reckon he'll either go around Christmastime, or he'll see out the season. Again I'm not calling for his sacking, but there sure won't be any tears from me, should I wake up tomorrow and hear he's walked out the door.

Here's a picture of today's mist - http://www.ptfc.co.uk/media/photo_gallerie...ss_ct/image_015

How unfit did Hayes look today?

Some of you may be interested to know, that Butcher is actually from (or was at least born), in Singapore.

:D Believe it or not I've still got that!

Must admit I didn't expect to see Eagle make the bench. How on Earth Stratford makes it every weeks while McBain doesn't is another thing altogether though.

I've never given blood, though I am an organ donor.

I think he was the patron of Jamaica as well was he not? Hence the reason for the similar flag.

HT - Partick Thistle 1-0 ICT FT - Partick Thistle 2-1 ICT PTFC 1st scorer - Hamilton ICT 1st scorer - Foran Attendance - 2,798

Do you get some sort of sexual pleasure from replying to my posts and attacking me personally? You've only had four posts on this site, and each one has been an attack on me. Please refrain from posting in this childish manner again, and in future, keep your posts to make an answer of topic of the thread in question. Is that really too much to ask?

Don't know if that'll work. I remember being told once that the North Stand is/was infested with things. :004:

There's another one who can't read the topic question. Answer the question of the thread, it's actually very very simple. That is what this thread is here for, not a place to keep your 100% posting of attacks on me going. I don't understand what's so difficult about it.

I saw it in the paper itself.

Oh maybe it was.

If you think that's bad you should of seen the rating from Tuesday's Courier. Hayes got six, Sanchez got five, while Duncan got eight!

What ever happened to that beer tent in the home car park? I least I thought I was a beer tent. Some may remember it being a big white thing when ICT were in Division 1 last time.

I have to agree with The Knowledge. If you can't at least try to post in English, using punctuation and grammar etc to the best of your ability, as well as posting in a normal manner (not this new line for every phrase nonsense), then you shouldn't even try at all.

To some people, missing this would be a dagger through their heart. But you know what they say, the first cut is the deepest.

What's his natural position by the way? I've heard that it's actually as a right back, and the centre-half is not his natural position.

That's in a different thread for heavens sake! Please leave things like that out of this one and answer the very simple question that this thread is about and if your not going to do that then please, go and post in another thread. It's actually quite a simple.