Renegade

I know it's been alluded to on another thread, but it really needs a thread of it's own, but the talk is that Butcher is away to Plymouth as assistant. Plymouth Fans Site Butcher Rumour Apparently the talk is that Paul Sturrock has been moved out of the dugout, whilst still being the "manager", mainly due to his current health problems and will be a less stressful job at the club and Paul Mariner will now be the Head Coach, with Terry Butcher coming in as assistant. Apparently Mariner was on TalkSport earlier and though this was not mentioned by Mariner himself, Alan Brazil did hint at it just before the interview started. I for one think that this could possibly have legs on it. If you look at Butcher and Mariner, they played together at Ipswich Town for eight years and were also involved in the England set up together for quite a while. Also interesting to note that someone has already mentioned Jimmy Calderwood as a name being looked at already, and at this rate I wouldn't be surprised to see Butcher away in the not too distant future.

Aint it interesting that I get slaughtered from some of my suggestions and views on here, but get proven right time and again. I reckon it's time this site started making "Renegade was Right" T-Shirts, they'd be sold out in no time! B) :D I love that you're trying to take credit for this or you believe any of your pre-selections threads have been anywhere near the team that was picked today!!! It was his player selection that was attacking not the formation... remember he was still playing only 1 up front with Foran & Imrie coming from wide. A long way from your 3-1-3-3 or 2-1-3-4!! Might not be exactly the formation I put forth but it seems that Butcher finally got it through his head, that attacking football is what has to be used. I've been going about that since before he had the ICT job. And with the second point, it depends what you call "one up front". I personally wouldn't mind seeing Foran in the Puskas-esque role as a deep lying forward, but with yesterdays result, you can't really complain.

Aint it interesting that I get slaughtered from some of my suggestions and views on here, but get proven right time and again. I reckon it's time this site started making "Renegade was Right" T-Shirts, they'd be sold out in no time! :005:

HT - ICT 1-0 Morton FT - ICT 3-1 Morton ICT 1st scorer - Proctor Morton 1st scorer - Wake Attendance - 2,753

An attacking formation for me, 4-3-3 - -----------------------------------------Esson----------------------------------------------- ---Tokely--------------Bulvitis--------------------------Munro---------------Golabek---- --------------Proctor--------------------Cox-----------------------Imrie------------------- ------------Barrowman-----------------Foran--------------------Sanchez----------------- Subs - Allison, Djebi-Zadi, Rooney, Hayes, Ross/McBain For me an attacking 4-3-3, with Foran playing as a deep lying striker (ie - the Puskas role). Would also consider Odhiambo on the bench if he's fit enough.

Saw a women being interviewed in a street in Oldham or somewhere today and she said words to the effect of the she "used to be against the BNP, now I'm waivering"! Seriously unbelievable stuff. Shows the amount of crackpots there are in Britain as well, it's unreal.

Don't know which game the guy who did the Courier ratings was watching. Munro and Golabek both got 8/10! Neither had a particularly bad game, but I thought Golabek was awfully quiet and Munro wasn't quite as good as he's been in recent weeks. It also said Tokely was unlucky to be booked and Stratford had an "unusually quiet game". Sorry, but when has Stratford ever had an eventful game? I must have been looking at something else when he was setting the heather alight.

All ICT need is a bit of class. Someone that bring the fans out and inspire the team to victory.

Mine is a Barack Obama esque picture of the mighty Tokely. ;)

Well I may be a gifted actor but there is no way that I could play the part of an ugly, boring halfwit. But you do that on here all the time. ;)

Well that was all very interesting viewing. Straw was a bit better than I'd thought he'd be, and that American women on the end was alright as well. Turned out a bit like an episode of Springer at times mind and Griffin struck me as a horrible little man.

Apparently there was a internet campaign to get Galloway on tonight, but he won't share a stage with Griffin.

Bit off topic, but I hear Hope Powell (a woman and head of the England Women's Team) is being linked with the Grimsby job!

I'm actually quite surprised you haven't offered to do it yourself.

If you could back in time in the history of ICT and relive a period again, what period would it be, and how do you compare the team then to the team now? For me, I'd love go back in time, just to see the team under Paterson again. I can't give a certain date, but around the time ICT first came into the First Division, that's what I'd like to see again. What I'd give to see an in prime Wyness up front with Paul Richie again, as well as seeing the likes of Paul Sheerin, an in prime Barry Wilson and Barry Robson in the midfield, along with Bobby Mann at the back and Jim Calder in goal. To me that was ICT, and if you compare the team now, I don't think they even do compare, and what I'd give to see one more game and fully appreciate the team back then. IMO the current team would be gubbed had they ever came up against that lot. As time has gone on, I've felt that ICT has changed. I used to feel back then that it was ICT I was watching, but now it's something else. Even up until a few seasons ago, the lifeblood of ICT was still intact, but over the last two or three seasons, the core has been ripped away. If you could go back in time and relive another game from ICT's history when would it be and how do you compare that team to the team now?

What about the formation that becoming quite popular in South America, the 4-1-3-2? By using that, Cox could be the holding midfielder, with Sanchez further forward in between probably Hayes and Imrie. I could also mean he could go further forward in attack.

Here's my question to the ones who like Robbo. Where was this Robbo love fest when Christie resigned? This whole thing only seems to have popped up, in the last few months of Brewster's reign, but when Christie resigned there was barely anyone saying they wanted him to take over (I checked out the necessary threads a wee while back). So why's he become so popular all of a sudden?

I see it's been leaked again.

HT - Ayr 1-1 ICT FT - Ayr 1-2 ICT Ayr 1st scorer - Kevin James ICT 1st scorer - Foran Attendance - 1,874

Does anyone else agree that the time has come to start the home games with three strikers? I certainly do. It seems just now that Butcher seems to try and play the same system at home and away which doesn't seem to be working at home. Away, yes this defensive style and holding back a little bit seems to work in the away games, but at home ICT have to become more attacking. For me a switch to three strikers at home and going for a win from the very begining has to be done and using three strikers can help with this. We've seen now, and from the home record that the current system of 4-5-1, or a defensive minded 4-4-2 just isn't working, and switching, to the most likely three strikers formation, the 4-3-3 might well be the answer in sorting out the awful home record. I'm not sure ICT have the defence just now to play 3-4-3, so 4-3-3 may have to be used. It's been quite a long time now since we've seen entertaining attacking football at Caley Stadium, but switching a system like this may not just improve the entertainment quality, but may also improve the home results as well. But who to play in this front three? For me, I'd go with Barrowman, Foran and Odhiambo, providing all are fully fit. It's obvious that both Foran and Barrowman need someone to help and feed off them in able to reach their potential, and with the added zip of Odhiambo, could give the spark to the front line that it needs. Besides Odhiambo, I wouldn't mind seeing how well Sanchez or Imrie could also do alongside them. Thoughts?

Just shows how poor Scottish football is these days.

I didn't say that would've been a different outcome, but mine is certainly more sensible, even more so considering Butcher it was the most important game in ICT's short history. Why on Earth did he keep Tokely out of position, which in the end was a factor in his sending off, cause he hadn't the positional sense nor the speed to catch up with anyone getting past him. After his sending off the game was essentially lost. Why was Mihadjuks out of position? He was a centre half, and only a centre half. Why was he played in a postition he's never played before, far less so considering the natural right back was also out of position, in his position. Why was Esson again left out in the place of the medicore Michael Fraser? Would my line up have had a different out? Who knows, but what Butcher went with IMO certainly had an impact on ICT's relegation.

This site needs a "pot...kettle" smiley! Maybe you should go back and see the formation and team selection I put up for the Falkirk game, compared to Butcher's one. I think you'll see which one was more sensible. Edit - My formation for that game was - Esson Tokely Mihadjuks Munro Djebi-Zadi Morais Black Kerr Imrie Barrowman Foran Bare in mind who was available/unavailable and on-form/off-form at the time. Butcher's was - Fraser Mihadjuks Tokely Munro Djebi-Zadi Imrie Black Kerr McBain Morais Foran

This site needs a "pot...kettle" smiley! mAYBE