Renegade

What's that? Fun??!! Humour??!! Not on my forum! Now where did I put that pie?

Interesting to see the highlights from the other side of the pitch for once. Haven't seen the highlights from that angle since ICT's first season in Division One the first time round IIRC. By the way, why was the game being filmed on the other side as well? Who is that for and if/where can we see it? I've noticed a few games being filmed from over there this season, but never seem to come up online (the Ayr game being an example).

DC; Renegade: Fair enough, you don't rate Butcher as a manager; I have doubts myself. But can either of you explain why it would benefit the club more to sack him now, accrue extra debts for the club paying off his and MM's contracts and leave a replacement (probably of equally or more dubious pedigree) to fashion a winning side out of TB's signings, rather than accepting we're going to have a poor season and allowing TB and MM to walk away at the end of the season at no extra cost to the club? And if you can't, don't you think it's potentially counter-productive to be so relentlessly critical of the management team? I'm not having a go: I've just not been convinced yet by any of the arguments in favour of changing the management team mid-season. P.S. Apologies for not being able to quote properly from multiple posts in one reply - maybe some kind person less technically inept than me will explain it some day... I don't think I've called for him to be sacked so far, I just feel that he should never have been given the job in the first place. If I could turn back time, and I was given the choice to take Butcher or not, I wouldn't take him. I was keen on him coming in in the first place, but now looking back I was wrong to think so. His record says it all, it's not even what you'd call mediocre. Five previous sackings, four sackings and the other was a bottom finish in his first season, only saved from relegaton on a technicallity. The way his team is and plays, his ICT team, it's obvious why he has such a poor record. The problem is we sit and tolerate it and don't have the funds to get rid of him no matter how bad is, and we're going to have to sit and bare with it for now. This site needs a "pot...kettle" smiley! The difference, mine would work.

I don't buy this whole look to the past stuff and how we should all be pleased about it, it's over. It's now that matters. Currently ICT are being run by a man who only gets management jobs, not because of his record but because of his name. ICT aren't even a shadow of the team they once were, it's been ripped apart by a couple management duds, one that was even given a second spell! In the beloved past, ICT used to be a fun team to watch and support, now it's not. Even just a few seasons ago, the ICT side was one made up of good core players that made ICT, ICT. Now all I see are mainly a bunch of strangers on the field, constantly failing to be able to pass a ball to man a few yards away. This is today's reality.

Probably could have when he was at Saint Johnstone.

I wish some people would get it through their thick heads. The reason Barrowman has done nowt so far is because he's been played completely the wrong way. He is not a targetman as he was used under Brewster, and under Butcher he's barely been given a chance. Barrowman is a guy you play alongside someone with ball being slipped into the box by the players behind. Under the previous two regimes, he hasn't had that.

Nope none, except failing to keep ICT up, unprofessional behaviour towards the supporters, bizarre team selections towards the end of last season, refusing to play Esson in the last game cause of his ego, playing boring football, playing far too defensively at home, getting rid of decent younger players (ie - Vigurs) and replacing them with duds (ie - Stratford). Other than that he's been fine. :D The difference is they have a decent manager in the first place, and don't stick with duds for the sake of it. They also don't employ a manager who has an awful record.

Poor Stratocaster didn't have a clue yesterday.

Your Avater is cool Renegade , do you like my one ? Aye, aye not bad. Pity it looks more like Michael Owen than Ross Tokely. What!!?? Looks nothing like Michael Owen

Oh yes, and I'm getting tiresome....

That's an interesting point. For a time last season I was fairly regularly puting up formations in the "Team for" treads that were 4-2-4, or similar sorts. As you can imagine, some were foaming at the mouth that someone would dare even consider breaking away from their beloved 4-4-2, or 4-5-1. I seem to recollect a few folk once going 4-5-1 with Odhiambo up front by himself! Seriously, you couldn't make it up. What you say about Barca is interesting as well. Under Guardiola and previously under their last boss, Barca seem to go quite regularly 4-3-3 from the start that becomes a 3-2-5 when on the attack. Obviously the two wingers go foward as old style wingers and a defender goes forward and helps out in midfield. Does it work? Sure it does. Look at Man U right now (or last season anyway) they played a very fluid formation, and I reckon ICT seem offerly keen to stay in formation these days, something that could lead to a downfall.

I'm quite surprised really. For some reason Deano was adored by our Section G lot, but was absolute garbage. He would come on for the last five minutes, probably cause that's all he could manage and would plod around the outside of the centre circle, all five feet of him, doing nowt.

I know this is a bit off topic, but I was thinking about this the other day and couldn't remember right. Weren't ICT linked with Michael Mols at one point? I think it might have been about 2005 ish, a bit after he'd left Rangers.

The G in section G must stand for genius, and I'm constantly floored every week by the sheer brain power that comes from that section.

Didn't think Proctor was overly great today, not MOTM, and not a patch on Foran. Besides his goal and hitting the bar, at times he was poor, and his passing really let him down. For me I went: Foran Cox Imrie How Grant Munro got the official MOTM is beyond me!

For me, the answer is simple and has been for a long time. ICT are now reminicent of the football that now surrounds Scotland and beyond, they're absolutely petrified to concede. I can remember a time, about 10 years so ago, when ICT used to score left, right and centre at TCS in every game, and under Paterson, they were often dubbed the unofficial title, of the "most entertaining team in Britain". We now have a side, who can't control or pass a ball, let alone attack. I noticed again, as I have in a number of previous, ICT essentially play a style at home, where almost all the players are defenders. Against Dunfermline, only Foran, Imrie and Hayes seemed to be attacking players. A couple, such as Cox and Proctor were sort of in the middle, but the rest (including Tokely, who I would normally class as being in the middle of an attacking and defensive player) were defenders and defenders alone. Butcher has yet to show me that he has put a team that can play, at least decent football, I am sorry to repeat myself again, but you've got to look at his previous teams to see that he doesn't play good football, thus being sacked a number of times, cause with this system he couldn't get the results, and the same thing happens here. He even said in the midwek interview that he just wants wins and doesn't want to play "pretty football". 4-5-1 up front with a defensive style at home will get ICT nowhere this season, cause the home form is/will be rubbish and can't be sorted soon enough.

On the subject of Proctor, he may have scored one and hit the bar yesterday, and his passing was at times poor (as is the case with most of the team these days), BUT I thought he looked a heck of a lot better at centre midfield today than at right midfield or right back (or centre half as he was at times under Brew) and when he was at central midfield, I also felt he was far better attacking, than when his previous positions. By no means was he amazing against the Pars, and to say he was the best player is just laughable, but he seems to have more idea round there than Stratford, a player IMO hasn't a clue.

-----------------------------------------------Esson------------------------------------------------ ---Tokely------------------Bulvitis-------------------------Munro------------------Djebi-Zadi--- -----------------Cox-------------------------McBain-------------------Hayes*-------------------- -------------Barrowman---------------------Foran---------------------Imrie--------------------- Subs - Allison, Proctor, Sanchez, Rooney/Golabek, Ross * - If Hayes is injured, move Imrie into left mdfield and put Sanchez on up front, with Rooney or Golabek coming onto the bench.

Probably didn't deserve a point today, ICT played quite well in the first half but Dunfermline still looked a bit better. Bayne look to be causing Munro problems, and Dunfermline's passing to the wings, especially their left back (the number 3) looked dangerous, using the whole width of the field. ICT's passing though, was to be put it bluntly, awful. Some of these guys (mainly Proctor and Stratford) couldn't pass the ball to save their lives. I actually wonder if they actually practise with the ball in the week, cause some of them don't have a clue. My results - Esson - :thumb02: :thumb02: :thumb02: - Looked fine to me. Had a great save in the first half to tip the ball and looked confident throughout. Tokely - :huh: - Had a quite game, not particularly amazing. Another one who hasn't a clue how to pass. Bulvitis - :022: :024: - Had a good first half and looked pretty solid, though seemed to disappear in the second. Also needs to learn to pass on the ground instead of these long mindless punts up the park to no-one. Munro - :024: - Had a quiet game. Didn't have a particularly bad game, nor a good one, but he wasn't quite as good as he's normally been this season. Golabek - :024: - Another one who was quiet. Not really in the game at all and at the age he is now where he's too slow and can no longer get forward. Proctor - :022: :huh: - Took his goal well and was unlucky when he hit the crossbar, but can't pass the ball at all. Looked a little better in the centre of midfield than on the wing though. Cox - :022: :022: :022: - Fairly zipped about and fought for everything. Put in a decent shift. Stratford - :huh: - What does this guy do exactly? Wasn't in the game at all, and when he was he gave the ball away. Not good enough IMO. Hayes - :024: - Not bad on the wing, but had a quieter than usual game. Went off injured towards the end. Imrie - :022: - Started up front and seemed to get crowded out an awful lot. Moved over to right wing and did okay. Fought for everything but maybe isn't quite fully fit yet. Foran - :022: :022: :022: - Fought for everything today. Looked dangerous on the ball and unlike the rest of them, can actually pass it. God knows why he was taken off. SUBS - Rooney - - What does he do exactly? Can't pass, can't pressurise the other team's defence, can't control ball. Pretty hopeless to be honest. Sanchez - - Same as above really, doesn't seem to do anything. McBain - B) - Only on for a short time, but in that time did more than Stratford had done in the whole game. -------------------------------------------------------- Butcher - - I was going to give Terry credit for the first half cause ICT seemed to look alright. Started with a 4-4-2 formation, but then switched to 4-5-1 with Foran upfront by himself, and only Proctor occaisonally forward to help . ICT looked okay for the first half and the first part of the second, though passing has to be worked on, it was abysmal throughout. As time went, and especially into the start of the second half Foran was looking more and more dangerous. Then, Terry mucks it all up once again, and takes Foran off.......for Rooney! A player who came on and did essentially nothing. He then takes off Imrie, a player who was at least trying and puts on, Sanchez, another who did essentially nowt. He put on McBain towards the end for the injured Hayes which is understandable, but the big points are still simple. Far too defensive at home. Went 1-0 up and then tried to defend the one goal lead for the rest of the game, which is ridiculous. Barrowman seems to have disappeared, as has Ross in recent weeks, yet his beloved Stratford, stays on for 90 minutes, and he's rubbish. What Butcher see's in him, I haven't a clue. Not good enough Terry, a lot of stuff needs to be sorted.

And while folk are on the subject of Tokely, I'm surprised no-one has brought up my very snazzy avatar I have now.

Nice to see a team puting up highlights of a game, that are fairly decent and fair, showing the chances of both teams. Unlike the Partick ones. that seem to suggest that they run every team ragged in every game.

The reason being is that he's slower than a week in jail and can also be a bit prone to bloopers. Still like him though. :021: Another Tokely bashing post. That's new....

As the title says, who's the best player at ICT? If you can give a few reasons why as well. For me - Esson - Seems to be a very good all round keeper and never seems to have a bad game. Did consider Hayes, Foran, Tokely and Munro, but for me Esson takes it.

What's it about? Annoying erseholes and you were my greatest influence. Well that's not very nice. :019: Who'll play me in the film?

Oh come on, is this lets bully Renegade day? :019: