Wow, plenty food for thought there Bob,cheers for your time guys, much appreciated.I 've had a wee thing to visit Canada for years now, should have been posted out there in my RAF days when stationed at Alness, a posting came through for me to Gooose bay in Labrador but the CO at the time refused to let me go unless a replacement came and as the unit was closing in 6 months the powers that be decided this was not cost effective and someone else got my posting.On such decisions lives change,that said ,there would be no Mrs Dee and wee Dee as most of guys i knew who went there bought themselves out and stayed in Canada,one works in the local jail ,another is a golf pro,wonder whit i'd have ended up doing?