Charles Bannerman

I don't think the home support was great at Hamilton either..... the total crowd figure is 1272.

You mean not totally unlike ICT being baled out by Tullochs?

KOB is correct. It should perhaps also be remembered that the world doesn't owe football a living.

What it needs even more is a greatly increased and sustainable turnover.

So is the possibility emerging of an ICT v Ross County play-off for Premiership status next season, then? IF County were to finish 11th in the Premiership and Inverness were to make their way through the jungle which is the battle to become the single Championship side to contest the honour, then you have the Mother of all Highland Derbies! EDIT... written while Polo Chick was posting similarly above.

The term "investment" implies a reasonable expectation of financial return for the investor. Like it not, and I don't particularly, the realistic term is "subsidy".

"Sorting" the problem is in the hands of the game itself and would require serious reductions in what players are paid at all levels. However I just can't see that happening and fear that football has painted itself into a corner from which there is no escape.

I'm not sure I can agree with all of that. Certainly it is very much business now, one major reason being that football's economics of the madhouse has led to clubs attempting to live outwith their means. This has in turn led to the need for business to become involved, simply to bail out clubs from their excessive spending - in which they are under huge pressure to indulge from the artificial market causing players to be paid well above their realistic value. It's a bit like Marks and Spencer expecting Bill Gates or the Duke of Westminster to make large cash donations to cover Marks' losses resulting from them paying their shop floor staff £25 an hour. It pains me to admit this, but what football fans pay for their product doesn't scratch the surface of the excessive amount that product costs to produce - hence the need from donations from "business".

You are spot on there Huisdean. Over the years, the club has had the goodwill of these major Inverness businesses through leading figures within them. It would be hugely beneficial if they could all pull together to the benefit of the club but, unfortunately, the opposite seems to be the case and long running antipathy appears to be a significant motivating factor in the current spat. One vital consideration in a saga which has now been ongoing for almost 20 years has, however, been largely ignored. In the early 2000s, the club was crippled by a debt somewhere in the range £2.3 - £3M (accounts vary). Without that being "sorted", the club would have gone into administration or even liquidation. The only thing that extricated it from that near-death experience was the intervention of Tullochs, the only game in town, who "disposed" of the debt, provided over £700,000 working capital to ease cash flow and ensured that the North and South stands were built. Some people may not like this fact, but interventions from Tullochs, valued at £5.3 - £6M (again accounts vary) ensured, in five years, a transition from a massively indebted financial basket case destined for the knacker's yard to a debt free club playing SPL football in an SPL compliant stadium in Inverness. The ICT piper has been paid pretty handsomely and I would suggest that he who has done so could have called a much more demanding tune, remembering also Tullochs' donation of 730,000 shares to the ICT Trust and offer of the stadium fabric to the club. I suppose the bottom line question has to be - what would people have preferred? Administration/liquidation in 2000/01 or, 16 overwhelmingly successful seasons later, a question over the car parks, Tullochs' response to which has included a commitment not to leave the club without infrastructure?

Sorry if the metaphor didn't resonate?

The polls were equally clear that Dr Finlay Crescent, Tannochbrae wanted to leave.... which is no more relevant in a UK-wide vote.

Woodwork was actually just about the only thing you weren't allowed to "read" at The Caddy. When they wanted to introduce a single woodwork teacher in the early 60s, apparently the staff over at The Tecky created a bit of a fuss for fear of their monopoly being challenged, the upshot of which was that The Caddy got their woodwork teacher but had to agree not to present anyone for exams in it. However, it does seem that this thread has digressed considerably from Gordy joining the Board.

I think the general answer is that the capacity of Inverness to handle the traffic imposed on it is so woeful that more or less anything is bound to create benefit - partly offset by the effect of shifting some existing problems from one place to another. I think the benefits are twofold - and considerable. Firstly, A9/96 - A82 through traffic will no longer have to go through the city centre and secondly, on a more local level, the city centre can again be avoided by a lot of people travelling between south east and south west Inverness which are now much more efficiently linked. For instance my own frequent journeys from Culduthel to the Sports Centre will be hugely reduced in time, distance and CO2 output and thousands of others will enjoy similar relief. However there will inevitably be some down sides. Traffic on the Distributor Road will increase considerably, with extra pressure in particular on the already difficult Inshes roundabout. The indirect effect on the nightmare two odd miles comprising Halfords - Harbour Rd - Millburn roundabout - Perth Rd - Inshes Roundabout - Simpsons remains to be seen. All that can be said with certainty here is that this thread of road is currently it is completely inadequate to serve the huge number of large concerns next to it. The crux, I think, is going to be the Inshes roundabout in a city where we were told 20+ years ago, when INE were keen to locate the Caledonian Stadium on the Golden Mile, that the effective centre of Inverness was going to move eastwards. In the intervening years this has to a fair extent happened, but without the foresight to deal with the resulting increase in traffic.

Then you have the projected loss for the current year of around £300,000.

Long Haul Coll.... there's a nickname before you start.

In the Championship, are you obliged to conform with the ubiquitous and frequently fatuous "SPL rules" - formerly applied to keep out the riffraff - which said you had to use USH? Why spend thousands thawing out a pitch for a game which is bound to lose thousands more by taking place in weather which will keep people away in probably still freezing conditions? Why not instead play the SPFL Jobsworths, whose geography apparently stops at Castlecary, at their own game?

So, in these times of internal political uncertainty, what mechanism exists for casting the 10% of votes to which the supporters are entitled in the event of a poll in the foreseeable future?

Ok... politics in general (except maybe that the Greens sell hairy hand knitted woollen jumpers). One lot are as bad as the other. That's also assuming you can define politics as a "business". The worry there is the relatively high level of integrity you tend to find in business.

The question then arises: do you want them to be represented on the board because they own significant shareholdings - however acquired - or because they have money which you would like them to donate or gift to the club to maintain, or perhaps rather to achieve, its solvency? Whichever way you look at this question, football's dependence on gifts and donations - terms which tend to masquerade under the misnomer of "investment" - is inescapable. I can't off the top of my head think of any other type of business which depends on donations from wealthy individuals to stand between its otherwise unsustainable business model and financial oblivion.

Merely an exercise in capricous Devil's Advocacy on my part Ronaldo ? (Albeit with a bit of realism about football economics in general.) As for the ICT set up, it sometimes reminds me of the Schleswig Holstein question of which Lord Palmerston once said that it had only ever been understood by three people - the Prince Consort, who was dead; a German professor, who had gone mad; and himself... and he had had long since forgotten. So is it perhaps perhaps being proposed that ICT should go the way of Ross County, but with Orion/Weldex money rather than Global's?

Caleyboy.... first, let me become Devil's Advocate. "Investment is secure"? Investment in what? In over half a million ICT shares in exchange for an undisclosed sum to the Hospice, not the club, the large majority of which shares were originally bought by Ian Fraser for £1 each in 1996 and then sold in the early 2000s to Sandy Catto for, allegedly, much less than that before Sandy donated his entire holding to the Hospice. That in addition to 285,000 shares received in exchange for bankrolling the wages of Marius Niculae - cash which may have long since found its way to a bank in Romania. Just for balance, much of Muirfield Mills' influence originates from 730,000 shares donated to the Trust by Tullochs. It's also interesting to note that Caleyboy's main stated criterion for board membership is one which is regrettably common in football - the means and the willingness to subsidise a fundamentally loss-making business which has been obliged to follow the unsustainable industry norm of paying its employees vastly in excess of their true market value.

That depends on your relative take between the McGilvray/Savage statement and the response which Tullochs were asked for over a week ago and which must surely be forthcoming before too long.

They do. The biggest shareholder is the ICT Charitable Trust, controlled by Muirfield Mills, who also have a controlling presence on the Board.

On the wind-up I'm sure, IHE, but you do presumably mean all 6,000 of the 226 who were eventually assembled in the cause of dissent 23 years ago?

It also means that all four directors, apart from being "Inverness boys", are also former pupils of Crown Primary School or Inverness Royal Academy, or in Gordy's case, both. The Crown and the Kaddy..... Inverness's answer to Eton and Oxford - righ'eenuff mun! On the other hand that does somewhat break down when you realise that this makes IHE an Invernessian "Old Etonian". Excellent appointment of Gordy who has a background in the two much needed areas of football and communication.