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Seems JJB Sports, in Elgin anyway, didn't have them........because i know at least one person who would be wearing one if he could have got one!

And, I repeat, I don't know, because I have no idea when the youth system started, who has come out of it and where they are now. I'm not saying that is not the case. :ph34r: However, if you care to check back to the OP (which was never meant as a thread starter anyway)......you will see that it was a response to someone who was rather sneering about ICT youth system products, whatever their origins. I should think, given we are going to have to find an U-19 squad pdq, that we will be trawling for players.....do we have someone at the SPL exit trials today, btw? All I was saying was that, just because they are homegrown, does not mean they are useless because, logically, if they were.....they would not have been signed in the first place, and certainly not given another year. Strikes me if Terry thinks they are worth signing, then they have potential. It may not be realised in the end.....but they deserve as much of a chance as any youth player from any other club.

That's because they are paid sensible wages. How on earth can anybody be worth ?70,000 a week for doing nothing much, in the great scheme of things.

That is just ludicrous...no wonder clubs are running vast overdrafts, and even going into administration if they are expected to try and match such silly money. Easy seen why greed rules in the UK nowadays when Joe Punter looks at bankers' bonus levels and wages like that for people who kick a wee ba' aboot. If they were performing surgery or something really useful, I could understand it.......but, as football fan...that kind of wages are indefensible. Never have quite understood why anyone in their right minds would think people who entertain us are worth so much more than those who govern us, look after our health, put out our fires and keep us safe etc. It's a very screwed up world, imo.

Disagree with none of that, bauhaus. My redirected into its own thread OP was not a pop at the ICT system...but at one individual poster (but not the only one on here) who is happy to allow other teams' youth rejects to re-sign for us, because they have been given a chance by us, and proven their worth......yet proceed to dismiss the homegrown ICT youth signings as not being worth a place even on the bench in the SPL (or SFL, come to that). That level of Uriah Heep style forelock-tugging frankly makes me spew. No HOY in any team is any better than ours......no system is any better than ours, going by the numbers of youths released annually from all of them.......and if our management think that any of our youth system kids are worth their chance...why on earth do we not encourage them and be proud of them...rather than whine and assume they will be crap because they are local. It appears that some in the Highlands, who post here, tend to prove the biblical rule......Mark 6:4 "But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house."

Can't find many who are purely a product of ICT's youth system, but possibly Gavin Morrison and Nick Ross, were (and if not, why not?)? McAllister came in from Aberdeen youth, didn't he.......and Vigurs from Aberdeen via Celtic? Not really a product of the ICT youth system. Correct me if I'm wrong...but, for clubs who trawl the world for the best players at youth level, do the OF not sign relatively few of those to the main squad, compared to the numbers who are in the system? It is completely illogical that some are more than happy to sign the rejects from other club's youth systems, and re-sign them once they have had a chance to grow and adapt to our game.....as a fair few from elsewhere did for ICT this season........yet do not credit ICT brought up players with any of the same ability as those players other clubs did not rate enough to keep. Have to say, I have no idea when the ICT youth system was set up as a formal entity. I'd assume when ICT went into the SPL, at least, though happy to be corrected regarding that.....and if so, we are possibly looking at the demise of the under 19s last season as being the first time there was any requirement not to lose decent homegrown u-19 players worth a shot. Given the catchment area, and the inability, economics-wise, to sign youth players from overseas.......I'd have said that two homegrowns, and two acquired, signed to the main squad, out of the ICT system is a pretty good average...given that, last season (I think), Rangers only signed four out of around forty u-19s of all nationalities...and Celtic's u-19s did not fare any better. The problem, imo, is not in the will of managers like TB and others in Scottish Football to give kids a chance.......the problem lies more in the rantings of those fans who think you have to pay for "class"..because, in our case, if you are Highland area born, and ICT brought up, you do not have any because we, in the highlands do not have any class, do we!!!! :021: Jeez, I do hate the "Here's tae us, wha's like us?.....Anybody from anywhere outside the local area if they cost us money...because costing us money means they have ability" attitude. Excuse me if I borrow an expression used by all my grandkids........DUH! :angry: Has Dundee, this season, not proven that you can't buy a team?

Hope Shinnie and Ross get games this season coming :D Only in the cup if not we will bounce down :004: See that is why I get hacked off on this forum with many ICT "supporters"...because they are not prepared to give people a chance. Watched it on here from the day I joined.....I challenge any one of you to come up with a team of players of which you have unequivocally approved, who would have won this league, and got us back into the SPL. Seen complaints about just about everybody in the squad, to date. Why on earth do ICT bother to have a youth squad at all, if there are those who think, as so many ignorant Scots appear to do, that homegrown and club brought up means they are sh1te...because they have not cost silly money. I have posted in other threads to comment on the fact that ICT management would be idiots to play young homegrown players simply in order for those who think if they come from the Highlands or environs they have got to be useless to trash and demolarise them...and the above post proves that in spades. Much better, as far as some are concerned, to sell on....because kids who are good enough for Rangers, Celtic, Dundee United, Hearts et al...are not good enough for ICT.....because we have not paid for them. Think about it, people...............do you know how many of the ICT youth squad have/will have had the opportunity to go elsewhere to the likes of the OF and decided to remain with a team which could possibly offer first team football much earlier....and because they are loyal to the club which has allowed them to realise their dream? I read this forum, and ninety percent of the time, I do not think that ICT supporters live in the real world........at least not in the real world that I do. And to refer to another post.....just how the hell does anybody know how Kyle Allison would perform, if it came to the crunch.......given he has never been tried?

What I was thinking! :D

Have a great day, people! Away to try and get tuned to MFR to listen to it all! :D

But did the players not get yellow carded for doing just that? Why would anyone expect the club would not also get punished...even if the invasion was "all in good fun". Never quite understood the "getting caught up in the moment" mindset.....but then, I am one who, as a teenager, sat at the back of the Two Red Shoes in Elgin at a Herman and the Hermits concert and just listened to what music I could hear over the noise of the screaming numpties around the stage. TBH, it's not as much the fact that the pitch was invaded during the match that irritated me........it happened, can't be changed, and if there are consequences, they will have to be suffered...by the club What bothered me more, and which prompted my various posts in this and other threads is that relatively few seemed to see anything wrong with doing it...in fact some were even proud of it.

Have you actually read the thread? Nobody is trying to justify exposing ICT to fines and most are happy enough to accept the advice/warnings that have been given. People have questioned why the club would be fined and some have disagreed with the rules, but nobody is saying "stuff it, let's do it anyway", in fact, I've not seen any suggestions that people intend/ed to enter on to the pitch during the game....which is what you might think has been said reading your post. Furthermore, calling people eejits, ignorant, arrogant, lacking in intelligence, stupid etc serves no useful purpose and will only antagonise a situation which doesn't need any stirring up. I have read all the threads appertaining to the Ayr game, from the match thread at the time of the match, where there were posts thrilled at the pitch invasions, to every other one since....and have been horrified at the level of uncaring which many "fans" have shown regarding the possible consequences to the club they profess to love. I'm not able to attend many games because of distance/cost..........but I am well aware of the rules regarding pitch invasion....and would never jeapordise my club's finances to allow me a momentary thrill just because I could. I have not called every ICT supporter eejits, ignorant, arrogant, lacking in intelligence, stupid etc...just those who were terminally stupid enough to prance onto the field at Ayr during the game after the goals....just because they thought they did not have to consider the reputation of, or the consequences to, the club. Strikes me those who did invade the pitch at Ayr and have posted on this thread, notwithstanding their posts on other threads, are not agreeing because they think that they did anything wrong at Ayr..but because they are aware that ICT Stewards may well spoil their fun, and make them miss the trophy hand over, if they did the same again. See, imo,........you don't say you won't do what is against the rules because that might make you miss some of the fun on the last day........you should be obeying the rules because they are the rules, and have been for as long as I can remember. Never have, and never will, understand the mentality which thinks that rules apply to anybody but us....and are only to be obeyed if they affect us as individuals, rather than the club as a whole.

Kinda wonder if I am older than any one else posting on this forum....but I am absolutely horrified at those who try to justify exposing ICT to fines they may well struggle to afford just so that certain elements within the club who claim to be supporters can indulge themselves by deliberately putting ICT in the position of possibly having to find the wherewithal to compensate for their ignorant, eejit fans. I honestly do not believe[/i] the absolute self-serving crap I have read on this thread, and others, which seem to insinuate that what the fans want is much more important than what the SFA/SFL/SPL rules dictate. Enter the real world, people....there are rules......and you cannot start from the premise that ICT is above those rules...because they are most definitely not....unless you are happy to accept that ICT will have to pay for indulging the arrogance and ignorance of elements within their support, who think that they are above the rules as laid down. What the intelligent person does not do is be stupid and try to justify that stupidity after the event....the intelligent person considers the possible consequences and does not do what may well attract consequences for the football club they profess to support.

But then you could argue that all the fans that went on the pitch would have given more than what ever the fine is in merchandise, tickets etc. Anyway, lets look on the bright side a fine would be very harsh indeed and surely an unlikely outcome. You could also argue that the fans were as indisciplined as any player who is red/yellow carded during a game for unsporting conduct. And you could also argue that having a season ticket for ICT, or paying to watch a game, does not entitle the lunatics to take over the asylum. Been a couple of threads on here in which fans try to justify their foolish actions...while I think there is no justification for rank stupidity. Did anyone on the pitch during the Ayr game even give a thought for the possible repercussions for the club, before indulging their own inability to control themselves? I think it ludicrous that there even has to be a thread like this in a football forum to tell fans what they should know. Not that unlikely.........it will depend on precedence, because if other clubs have been fined for incursions during a game, can the powers-that-be make an exception for ICT and maintain credibility?

Be interesting to see, if there is a fine, whether those who went on to the park during the game put their hands in their pockets and donate towards a fine they earned for the club.

As you should. Why should the club pay for fans to misbehave?

Now isn't that a really stupid move from really stupid fans? Another name on the score sheet, though. Seven now..but fans still determined to spoil the day for the players.

Now isn't that a really stupid move from really stupid fans? Another name on the score sheet, though.

Congratulations to all at ICT. :026: CaleyD's post says it all for me.

Golly's out for Ayr, I think. 1 match from the 20th?

Jesus wept....I have watched this forum's comments fluctuate according to results. I don't post much..because I do realism, not game to game complete irrationality. ICT can react how they like......and it is great that many fans posting on here have...compared to a dozen games ago, stopped the " we are entitled and Butcher is crap" spewing.....but it is just about time that ICT supporters got their heads round the fact that there are two teams in a game...and t'other team is mostly as good as ICT...and we cannot legislate for their efforts on the day. There is plenty to stop ICT winning the League.....like every other team we still have to play being as determined as ICT. Very lucky win against Raith..great result...well done...but don't let us believe that it was anything other than that......and keep our collective fingers crossed that we are as lucky in the next six games.

For sure....but there are ways of putting a POV across and there is slagging..........and a POV acknowledges good things, while highlighting bad things.....and slagging is posts such those which trash players/management because those players/management are not to your taste, even if you are in the minority..by a large amount.....and even if everything they do/have done is not all bad. Nobody is all bad, and no actions are all bad....and refusing to acknowledge any good in anyone is slagging, imo. We can all have different views..the world would be boring if we did not.......however, different views does not necessitate that those views are not tempered by acknowledgement of the good things as well as the strident denunciation of the bad things. Some on here appear to do strident denunciation to the exclusion of all else.....and that is the attitude which makes some wonder as to the honesty of their avowed allegiance to ICT.

Because it makes the trashers seem important in their own minds....which does appear to be the total sum of their ambitions? Sad people or what? No problems with trashing where deserved....provided that there is the occasional acknowledgment of adequacy, even if they are not prepared to admit anything more. I have to say, if I were an ICT player stupid enough to read this forum.......I'd be giving many on here the two finger salute......because nothing will ever satisfy those who have played themselves at the highest level and have won every honour going...even if their accolades were acquired in their dreams. I get the impression that there are not as many true supporters on here as they would have us believe. I get the impression that there are many on here who only support as long as the team does well, and who got into ICT supporting, as opposed to the Glasgow and Edinburgh Old Firm supporting, because ICT were in the SPL.......and one of twelve, and who now find it hard to keep up the enthusiasm given that ICT has dropped from relative SFA importance...and are back on a par with Ross County. I think it sad that there are people who prefer to trash rather than encourage players/management.....particularly when those trashers would be hard pushed to score a goal from a penalty or set piece themselves.......or to decide which player was the most capable of doing so. Easy to trash from the position of knowing nothing more than that you have an opinion...and caring about nothing other than that opinion. That is called pontificating from minimal knowledge, imo.

Maybe in his younger days he had a coach........or a watching crowd...... who constantly castigated him for missing, rather than praise him for trying. ;) Imo..that will tend to make one think twice about trying the obvious. Wonder how long it will take if/when he gets confidence, shoots for goal in a position where he has options....and misses a lot......for people will be complaining because he is a glory hunter who won't give the ball to a better placed player? Damned in either case, I should think. B)

And the world you inhabit is where outside the planet earth? Yep.everyone knows their careers, future prospects, remuneration, etc, are hardly going to be enhanced by another season, or more in Div1..but you do kinda have to think that every other team in Div1 is not endeavoring to get up there....and you kinda have to think that those teams are prepared to forego their aspirations to allow ICT yours. You can battle tooth and nail for every available point remaining in this league...but other teams are going to do the same. ICT has no divine right to immediate resurrection...whatever some fans might think. Strikes me that it is much more sensible to offer new contracts to the nucleus of a team for next season, whichever league it is in which they might play......otherwise next season, we will have three players and no management. That seem a sensible way to go?

Which is akin to closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.