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Flags of Inconvenience

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These are not questions that Inverness Caledonian Thistle usually finds itself debating, but the club has opened a can of worms by preventing a fan displaying the Palestinian flag during last weekend's cup tie against Partick Thistle.

John Martin had made his way to the match after taking part in a demonstration in the city centre against the Israel's continuing attack on Gaza. As he went to buy a half time drink, he was told by stewards that a complaint had been made and if he did not put the flag away he would be ejected.

Yesterday the club explained its policy was not to allow any flags or banners that could be considered political or offensive. This may be a laudable aim but is one that will be very difficult to enforce consistently.

It could be argued that every national flag is political. By carrying one a person is announcing that they identify themselves with that country in some way. Certainly the Rangers fans who displayed Union Flags at the Tulloch Caledonian Stadium earlier this month were making political points based on religious and racial intolerance every bit as controversial as anything the middle east can come up with.

And the same steward who so assiduously followed up the complaint against Mr Martin last Saturday will find plenty to do in the away fans' end next month, insisting on the removal of the countless Irish Tricolours that the Celtic supporters will no doubt bring with them.

Even the Scottish Saltire might be offensive to some, laden as it is with suggestions of Scottish independence.

But no Rangers fans were asked to take down their Union Flags, and you can be certain that Celtic supporters will be able to wave their Irish flags undisturbed for 90 minutes because the club's best intentions are quickly set aside when numbers are against them. Mr Martin was an easy target, seven thousand Rangers fans were not and so were left alone.

The club has form on this issue, causing controversy last season when several home supporters were ejected for singing (non-offensively but loudly) in the main stand, while the massed Glasgow hordes were allowed to sing their sectarian songs in the away seats. Although a Rangers fan was arrested at the recent match for chanting, he was sitting in the home end and easy to isolate.

We agree with the club that a football stadium is no place for politics or racial hatred. But if it is going to take a principled stand its enforcement policy must be seen to be fair, or else it will be the one being accused of prejudice.

Sorry for the C and P but it's too long to retype a summary.

This story opens up a lot of topics for discussion but the one I am mainly interested in is the ability of the club to censor supporters. As stated in the story ICT have a policy of removing flags and banners which may be considered offensive. One man's offence is another man's stance. Does this now make it an ejectable offence to display a "Brewster Out" banner? Will the club take action against Celtic supporters flying the tricolour, a symbol of Irish resistance against our home country? or Rangers fans flying the Union Flag, a symbol of 400 years of Westminster oppression? Like the story says this has opened up a whole new can of worms.

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At our next home game against Celtic no doubt we will see many, many foreign Irish flags flying.

Will the stewards have them and the bearers of such flags removed from the ground?

I suspect not!

I intend to fly my Tibetan flag and no doubt others will have their Palestinian and Cuban flags. All ICT supporters of course!

What is the response we can expect?

All we ask is consistency and no discrimination from our club and their stewarding representatives!

neksor

As has been said before, football is not the place for politics and neither is this forum. The flying of the tricolor and the Union jack by OF fans is part of their historical football alliances and, while not exactly non-political, is at least football related.

While we could fly the flag of any of our squad with some football legitimacy, we should not be taking our political views to the stadium.

Please leave your Foreign flags at home.

As has been said before, football is not the place for politics and neither is this forum. The flying of the tricolor and the Union jack by OF fans is part of their historical football alliances and, while not exactly non-political, is at least football related.

While we could fly the flag of any of our squad with some football legitimacy, we should not be taking our political views to the stadium.

Please leave your Foreign flags at home.

Just because they have historical links why does that make it all right? Rangers flying the Union Flag (it is only a Union Jack when flown from a ship's mast) is somewhat understandable given they are a British club but Celtic are a club which play in the Scottish PL, are registered as a company in the UK and their Stadium is in the UK so as far as I can see they are as Irish as potatoes (which were introduced to Europe from America, I believe)

As has been said before, football is not the place for politics and neither is this forum. The flying of the tricolor and the Union jack by OF fans is part of their historical football alliances and, while not exactly non-political, is at least football related.

While we could fly the flag of any of our squad with some football legitimacy, we should not be taking our political views to the stadium.

Please leave your Foreign flags at home

I agree. WTF do Tibet and Cuba have to do with inverness caley thistle?

I'd rather our club didn't turn into a tinky rent-a-cause poseur-fest like the Old Firm and their w@nker fans.

I'd rather our club didn't turn into a tinky rent-a-cause poseur-fest like the Old Firm and their w@nker fans.

:thumb04: :rotflmao: :018: ;)

Oh, and fortunately for him, he looks nothing like you Weestie :rotflmao:

Lesley, you obviously haven't seen me since I grew beard.

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