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"powered by sporting life" :023: :023: .... I like the way Sporting Life 'ad-libs' with things like "Inverness CT are in control of the match. Key player: Russell Duncan"

go to http://www.sportinglife.com/football/live/latestscores/ and then the live match centre for ICT game so far we have had 5 shots on goal (4 off target), 4 corners and committed two fouls - a bright start judging by the text updates.

[li]Discuss the game in this very thread right here :004:[/li] [li]Get to the chatroom HERE[/li] [li]See the subs / bookings / report - after the game starts - HERE[/li] [li]At the game ? - Dont forget to vote in the POLL after the game has ended. HERE [/li] [li]See the stats etc after the game has ended by choosing today's game from HERE[/li] LINEUPS [attach=1] DSM00.gif_thumb

I just wanted to add ... in addition to my post above, my perceptions of watching Toronto FC this season. A stadium that regularly has crowds of over 20,000 and where alcohol is served during the game either in the concourse or from students going up and down the aisles and pouring it into plastic cups for you. The club owners consulted with fans from the very start ... reaching out to them in October 2006 before the stadium was finished, before the team had been built or manager had been appointed. Club officials met with representatives of the various supporters groups and asked how they could work with them to make it a good experience for all. At those meetings, ground rules were agreed and the club also listened to the fans needs/wants. In the end, it was decided that two of the three stands would be 'normal' stands where things like drums, banners, flags etc would not be allowed and where sitting down would be the norm (although standing would not be punished, fans would be encouraged to take their seats !) The third stand - the south stand, holding around 2500 of the 20,000 capacity was designated as the "supporters section" and in this area the club would allow flags, banners, drums, a limited number of loud hailers so chant leaders could start the chants. Furthermore, the club would happily store said equipment at the stadium for the fans and have security staff bring it to the front of that section each gameday. Various club officials regularly go onto the main TFC fan sites and ask/answer questions or listen to the gripes. One big one in the summer was the price of the food. they were ripping people off charging $13 a beer, $6 for a slice of Pizza, $5 for a burger etc but the one that got fans most worked up was $4 for a small bottle of water. It was quite hot this summer and many people at some games suffered heatstroke (myself included). After this was raised on the message boards, the club halved the price of the water in most concession stands (even if the ripoff prices remain for the other stuff !!!) During games we stand, sing, chant, throw streamers and generally enjoy ourselves. There has been little confrontation and those very limited incidents I have witnessed where fans have been ejected or arrested have been the fans' own fault ... smoking in the stands, throwing coins or (plastic) bottles onto the pitch, 1 streaker (who soiled himself after being tackled by the police), 1 person who invaded the pitch and was arrested, the odd supporter lighting 'highway flares' (not throwing them - although one did and it burnt the plastic pitch !) ...... and thats pretty much the total of it all from 13 or 14 home games with 20K+ at each of them. The club, for the most part, have a good relationship with the supporters (TFC fans grumble too). However, it is clear to all supporters that club policy is that if you commit any of the 'crimes' I listed above your season ticket is revoked and as there is a two year waiting list for new season tickets it pretty much means you are screwed ! Also, anyone arrested is banned from the stadium (not sure if its sine-die or not). The club apply this policy consistently throughout the stadium.

When I left Inverness, we were still in the first division and craic/banter from the stands was allowed, enjoyed and even encouraged. From my vantage point right above the tunnel I used to joke constantly with John Sutherland who was responsible for the matchday security and would stand (:018:) in the tunnel area and we would all try to enjoy it. When an inappropriate comment came from me, Stu, Calum, Doresboy, Shiner or some of the others in that area he would just give us a look or a waggng finger (while laughing) and get on with it. no threats of arrest, no stewards charging up the aisles to eject us, just a man we all respected indicating to us we may have stepped over the line and us acknowledging that and toning it down. He treated us with respect, earned ours and there were no problems. ****, we even stood up for parts of the game trying to get the crowd going. I had heard fans of other "small" teams who had yo-yoed between divisions saying that the SPL was not enjoyable and it seems that this is proving to be the case. Not only do fans have to shell out ridiculous prices for entry but the football establishment in general seems to have forgotten that it is in the entertainment business and while the main source of entertainment is hopefully on the pitch, the overall ambience of the stadium and the attitude of the staff (be they club staff, stewards or police) all adds to (or takes away from) the overall experience. Football fans are about the most loyal customers any business can have. They start supporting their club usually at an early age and that "brand loyalty" tends to stay with them their whole life. Despite ticket, merchandise and other prices, they are not going to switch brands just because a rival brand is cheaper ! However, like any business that relies on customers, if you treat them badly they will (eventually) become ex-customers. It may take a lot more for a footie fan to reach that stage but it can, does and will happen. ICT are in a no-win situation in some respects. They are in the SPL and as a member of the SPL have to agree to the rules and conditions of entry/membership. I agree with those that say the rules are farcical (in places) but at the end of the day ICT are forced to comply with them. If I can pick holes in ICT at all, it is in the consistency of the application of these rules and we have all seen comments where people have given examples of differences between what happens in the home areas and in the south stand. That is the gripe with ICT. As for the rules themselves, that gripe has to be placed firmly at the door of the football authorities and it is them who should be pressured into making them more fan-friendly either through sites such as standupsitdown or through the relevant supporters' trusts of each member club. Nothing will change unless fans of all clubs join forces to make it change and some brave or forward thinking club chairmen decide to listen ........

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/scotland/t...dio/6354443.stm seems to be just the Killie game ...... with updates from the others [attach=1]

The BBC have allowed us to 'rip' the match reports at HT and FT up to now, but it is not permitted to rip or re-broadcast any of the match commentary itself

I agree. consistency has always been the problem, but it looks like these new SPL "guidelines" are going to force clubs to be consistent as they will be responsible for the behaviour of both home and away fans in their stadium

a self-moderating poster. well done that man :001:

The Official Website has taken the step of publishing the guidelines under which they take action against supporters. I wont comment on the merits of the individual cases discussed on here over the last few weeks, but as you can see in that article, and in the attached PDF file, it is pretty clear cut about what will and will not be tolerated ...... It is a sad fact of life, but the club can and will get punished by the SPL for breaches in security/behaviour that make it into the officials' reports. A few choice parts of the statement ...... "The Club has an obligation under its Ground Safety Certificate and SPL/SFA Rules for ensuring the safety of the fans, its staff and any contracted employees at matches at the Tulloch Caledonian Stadium. The recently introduced SPL Rules on Unacceptable Conduct puts further commitments on the Club for the actions of both the home and away fans at matches." "At game v Arbroath on Tuesday 28th August which had an attendance of 1,246 there were two recorded incidents both involving persons in the home stands. One person in the West Stand was arrested by the Police for a Breach of the Peace (for alleged foul and abusive language and failing to desist) which is a criminal offence. This person has been written to by the Club informing him that he is currently banned from the stadium but inviting him to a meeting with senior management at the Club to review his position.That meeting has now been arranged". [so not a life ban as suggested by posters on here !] "The second person was ejected from the West Stand for foul and abusive language to a steward.This 17 year old and his parents met with the senior management of the Club and having admitted the offence, was banned for five games.The Club's disciplinary process includes the right of appeal but written confirmation has been received that no appeal against the Club's action is being made".[This other person was also mentioned in the postings and it seems has accepted his 'wrongdoing'.] "At the game v Hearts on Saturday 22nd September .... two people were refused admission to the South (away) Stand for being under the influence of alcohol. During the game two people were ejected from the South Stand for persistent standing. Details of these persons will be reported to Hearts. A person from the North (home) Stand was arrested by the Police for the criminal offence of Breach of the Peace for entering the field of play. That person will have his position reviewed by the senior management of the Club but in the meantime will be banned from the Stadium". guidelines.pdf

:rotflmao: indeed.

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oh well, on the bright side,Garry Wood gets another for Montrose :004:

according to radio coverage, Russell Duncan got a yellow a couple of minutes before Wilson ... Sky and others havent picked that up though ?

[li]Discuss the game in this very thread right here :004:[/li] [li]Get to the chatroom HERE[/li] [li]See the subs / bookings / report - after the game starts - HERE[/li] [li]At the game ? - Dont forget to vote in the POLL after the game has ended. HERE [/li] [li]See the stats etc by choosing today's game from HERE[/li] LINEUPS ICT (to follow) [attach=1] HEARTS (to follow) [attach=2]

thought it was Mike Tumilty in charge today ? (according to Andrew's preview anyhoo)

its the latest trend in strips .......

Freedom of Speech is fine depending on what is being said ..... if it is factual and not defamatory then fair enough, but freedom of speech does not give anyone the right to cross the line and abuse/defame others. I dont know that forum so cant comment on what I think of its content.

It does seem like a heavy handed approach but who knows what went on in the background before the club decided to take that action !!! Did they ask the site to be a bit more pro-active in moderating? Did they warn people or try to resolve it amicably? or did they just go straight for the jugular? I am not aware of how that SW site is run but if it is run responsibly the site owners should not be in any trouble. I had several conversations with the SportNetwork lawyers about this a few years ago and basically site owners/administrators have a responsibility (or a duty of care) to remove anything they are sure is offensive or may breach any laws (which we do and get hassled about all the time !). So long as they do this in a reasonable timescale there should be nothing to worry about (we try). It was also mentioned that site owners should also give people (registered users or guests) an avenue they can take to complain about postings/content (we have several methods). Posters however are the ones who are ultimately responsible and accountable for the actual content within their posts which is why we do try to moderate things fairly without either under or over moderating. its a pretty hard balancing act where it is easy to annoy either the club or posters but we try to be as fair as we can. I like to think we have a decent relationship with our club and although there are times when this relationship can be strained because of content or opinions they are perhaps not thrilled about, I have to say that they have very seldom raised any concerns about postings or asked us to remove content. After 13 years, I like to think I have a pretty decent handle on what is ok and what is not so maybe its a sign that we are, for the most part, doing it right !!!

The simple fact is that, although rife in certain places, anyone showing live footage of any games within the UK between the hours of 2:45pm and 5:15pm is doing so illegally, or at least contrary to current UEFA blackout restrictions as well as arrangements in place with the media partners of both the English Premiership and SPL. Thats why live games on a Saturday are shown at times like 12:30 or 5:30 or moved to a Sunday or Monday. If clubs want to show Saturday 3pm games from their own websites or through a third party like internetfootball.co.uk, they can, but only to viewers outside the UK. Clubs can also stream audio from any game, including from the Saturday 3pm ones if they want and when they do, the BBC is frequently forced to block the audio outside the UK (which is a pain in the backside) as they only have rights inside the UK when clubs exercise their worldwide audio rights. Its a feckin minefield and one that needs to be looked at if the SPL want to get their "football tourism" initiative off the ground ! The solution seems really simple to me ..... stream the audio for free over the BBC to all listeners in the UK. They already do this so no problem there. stream the audio for a nominal charge over the BBC to worldwide listeners and get the BBC to pay a portion of it back to SPL. Again a no-brainer. The BBC have the capability and as I dont pay for a BBC (TV) License then I am happy to pay a reasonable sum for this service. Free would be good, but so long as the price was reasonable, I would sign up. stream the video for all clubs over the SPL website and charge a subscription for your chosen team. Some clubs who use PTV (like Kilmarnock, Rangers, Hearts etc) already have this service in place but other clubs using the same provider (like ICT) do not. Centralise it and let fans watch/listen to their chosen team !

better stickie this one .... a positive thread on CTO, some people will be shocked. :015: IHE - agree wholeheartedly, especially about Don Cowie who has settled in far quicker than his former RC colleague did last year.

As was posted in the other thread (in the days following that game)......... There's a couple of posts in the thread that suggest fans should be able to do whatever the **** they like in the singing section and that simply isnt true. There is an acceptable level of behaviour and once that is crossed there is a price to pay. With the publication of that article, the price has now been confirmed !!! According to the rules, standing is not allowed. end of story. If the club choose to let that slide on occasion then so be it, but if a steward comes along and asks or even tells you to sit down and you do not, then you are inviting trouble. If you add taunting and verbal abuse to the mix then there is only ever going to be one outcome and the outcome is not always the fault of the steward.

no. the stewards didnt muck it up, there was significant fan involvement in this as discussed (and admitted) in a previous thread.

yup, think that about covers it.