PullMyFinger

Not sure about Terry being a Conservative being relevant to be honest. I wouldn't care about anyone's views at all, we are all entitled to have our own beliefs and by highlighting Di Canio's the media are guilty of what they would have us think of him.

They have declared themselves as neutral though which is good. Hopefully all other media will also report events from a neutral point of view but I think hell will freeze over first.

The Sun will back independence if the polls show the yes vote is in the lead. They sell newspapers not principles.

So who plays in the biggest derby in Scotland? Answers on a postcard to Graeme Speirs.

How's that? If Utd. win they can still overtake County but lose or draw and County are top six.

Is this only if we vote NO? Almost worth voting NO if it will get rid of the OF from Scottish fitba forever! (only joking!) I want to point out there is no connection between the outcome of the referendum and their admission to EPL. Just Cameron's sudden interest is a bit suspicious, does he really think that's all we want?

This is the calibre of Labour MP we have in Westminster. On the new "bedroom tax" imposed by Westminster". Iain Davidson was absent from the division in the Commons in 24th October 2012 http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/division.php?date=2012-10-24&number=84&display=allpossible and from the vote on Opposition day on 27th February 2013. http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/division.php?date=2013-02-27&number=167&display=allpossible He claims to have voted "no", during a protest march against the tax in the linked video. Warning strong language on youtube link! http://wingsoverscotland.com/ian-davidson-is-a-liar/#more-31733 Edit to add links to publicwhip website (safe for work ).

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/prime-minister-david-cameron-backs-1794754 Cameron wants OF straight into premiership. Getting desperate. I wonder what other treats are in store from jam Tomorrow?

What are Dunfermline playing at? That's not how you do administration in Scotland these days!

Anyone care to put forward a case positive or otherwise for the status quo? I for one won't hold my breath.

PullMyFinger, County are NOT yet guaranteed top 6!!! Rasczak's Post #16 shows the scenario. Wrong again.

Bann ermaned from the thread? Missed that, was this a troll or one of the really bitter together bunch maybe? I overstepped the line of what is acceptable by making a comment about a regular poster on here who incidentally hasn't shown his face in this thread. I was rightly banned from that thread. It just bothers me when people in responsible jobs are so overly opinionated and I wonder if they promote their opinions as fact to those in their charge. Not sure where you got any of that from, when the point I was making was pretty much the very opposite ie Scotland has less compelling "ethnicity" reasons for independence than a lot of the others from the list. My bad, I must have misunderstood your post. Sorry.

Really disappointed Adams didn't have to acknowledge ICTs contribution to County's top 6 place.

On the radio now even the County players don't realise it.

That is not actually confirmed yet. If they lose to Hearts, Kilmarnock beat St Mirren and Dundee, Dundee Utd. beat St Johnstone and Aberdeen, and we lose to St Johnstone then they end up 7th at the split. So depending on results, we could secure them their top six place on Friday. Aberdeen have 41 points, County 45 points. How can they finish 7th or lower? Don't ever doubt me! Because Dundee Utd can leapfrog both Aberdeen and County But County can finish no lower than 6th. Aberdeen have 4 points less and they're 7th now.

That is not actually confirmed yet. If they lose to Hearts, Kilmarnock beat St Mirren and Dundee, Dundee Utd. beat St Johnstone and Aberdeen, and we lose to St Johnstone then they end up 7th at the split. So depending on results, we could secure them their top six place on Friday. Aberdeen have 41 points, County 45 points. How can they finish 7th or lower? Don't ever doubt me!

Noted So, are you on it? I'd say the next derby is the biggest ever. Shades, chains, flames, bikini clad ladies, blood, sweat, tears,...

That's feckin fantastic and sets up another derby. A top 6 Highland derby. Unbelievable Jeff!

You're welcome, Mr Adams. Please, please, please can we have County on the last day of the season.

Racial tension, would you say there's a racist (rather than nationalist) element in the independence movement? If so, any more than the norm of any group of people? Do you write for the Radio Times?

Don't know much about them (other than a cracking weekend in Prague!) but don't they speak different languages, which makes separation desirable or even inevitable? Their languages were very similar. Think English and Scots. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Slovak_and_Czech Anyway language is not a reason to split, look at the US, Canada, Belgium, Switzerland, Spain, India, etc. who have multiple languages. Should Scotland gain independence are we to split the country again (gaelic speakers, Scots speakers, English speakers, Polish speakers) ? I think not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Languages_of_Scotland_1400_AD.svg

The SNP love “Braveheart” because it helps them in their cynical aim of fostering xenophobia and getting little kids beaten up. Story in the Radio Times. http://wingsoverscotland.com/we-paid-for-this/#more-31692

I would agree that the debate won't really get going until the TV debates happen, and they could be very influential. However it'll be Alastair Darling, the head of the Better Together campaign, rather than the PM. I don't think Cameron actually has any official role in all this, and if he got too involved Salmon would play the "meddling in affairs that are for the Scottish people to decide" card. As the most senior officer of YesScotland, it should be Blair Jenkins against Alastair Darling. This pleases me. Meddling or not, as the prime minister it is Camerons responsibility to preserve the UK. He should and I suspect will debate against Alex Salmond at some point in the summer or early autumn next year. This pleases me, too. Am I easily pleased? Ask me on 22nd September 2014.

As long as I don't mention Jimmy Crankie's tadger I'm okay. Oh feck........

The mock poll at Glasgow University had a low turnout (higher than most student polls) and many students were either unaware or disinterested in the poll. Traditionally the establishment at Glasgow University is very much unionist, consider that the CPPR is based there and how they reported recent events in respect to the future of North Sea Oil. It would be unwise to take such a poll and use it as some evidence of a drop in support for independence. What next? The poll on this thread? Ridiculous really to think like that. The only polls of any relevance are taken over a large section of the population and a wide demographic mix. Getting 16 & 17 year olds the right to vote is good, getting them to vote will be a different thing completely. Their life experiences won't amount to a great deal and so they may be more idealistic, then again some (probably most) will vote the same way as their parents. I believe that the debate will come up for discussion in schools before the referendum but I doubt if that will help give the young adults both sides of the argument in a balanced way. A certain teacher on this forum is conspicuous by his absence on this thread. Then again like most unionists he has nothing positive to say about the union, just attacks on the pro-independence side. This is an argument that is often rolled out and one which on the face of it sounds convincing. I certainly don't know what countries these all are but I do know that many of these countries were previously under the subjugation of a larger power in a way in which even the most ardent of nationalists could never honestly argue that Scotland is. The countries of the former Soviet bloc spring to mind, for example. I don't underestimate the importance of the fact that none of these countries wants to go back, but let's not overestimate it either. It is important that we compare like with like if this sort of argument is to be used. After all, let's not forget that large numbers of citizens of some of these recently independent countries have chosen to leave their countries and live in Scotland! Citizens of countries like Latvia and Lithuania may be glad to be free from Russian domination but they still feel they are better off in a Scotland which is part of a Union than in their own independent countries. Other countries have separated on clear ethnic or religious divisions which are also not relevant to our situation. Rather than trundle out what are really rather meaningless statistics, it would be more constructive to identify countries which had similar levels of prosperity, freedoms etc as Scotland before gaining independence and to identify how the people have benefited both financially and culturally as a result. If someone in the "yes" camp could provide some evidence of benefit in a country where comparison was meaningful, then that would be a helpful contribution to the debate. Similarly, if someone in the "no" camp could provide evidence to the contrary, that too would be helpful. Here's a list of the 34 countries, the most relevant ones would be Czech Republic and Slovakia who have both benefitted from parting. Interesting that Germany is there and it's been a mixed bag since reunification, the east is wealthier and the west has generally maintained their standard of living but are subsidising the east through taxation. They are also heavily into the Euro project which hasn't been good for them lately. Kazakhstan is an interesting one, the oil industry there is booming now and the investment required, technical staff and knowledge base wouldn't have been available in the times of the USSR with the closed doors policy. Politically it's a basketcase though. Edit, I see Mr Malmsteen beat me to the list