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OTJ absolutely shocking, If that was the high street last night he would have been in the cells. Didn't think we played too bad but a lot of loose passes. Also kept losing the ball too easily. Good pen stop by Ryan but to be fair wasn't the best pen. All in all a decent first home game.

I see Rio Ferdinand sticking his nose in. He should shut his gob and get on with his own business. He always has an opinion on things that don't involve him.

I've just downloaded the new FIFA 11 commentary update: Not much different, although when my wife went on it, Andy Gray shouted at her " put that fecking controller down and get back to the kitchen"

Is it just me or does Torres give the impression that he just can't be ersed? If I was getting that sort of money I'd run till I fell.

I'm inclined to agree with that. Liverpool fans are said to be having multiple orgasms over this because of his legendary status at Annfield. He was a fantastic player, and then player/manager in his day, but never quite rose to the same heights as a manager. He didn't do bad, he won the double in 1986 and then the title in 88 and 90 and the FA cup in 89. Technically he was player/manager but very rarely played towards the later years mentioned. Who knows what he could have achieved if English clubs were not banned from Europe. I don't know if he will be that successful this time round but anything is better than the last few months.

You think the refs up here have got it bad. Try_this

Are you saying you are against strikes all together or just in this instance? If you mean all together (regardless of circumstance) then that is utterly ridiculous. And of course striking is holding people to ransom, there wouldn't be much point to it other wise, but it is nearly always a last resort. Also what do you think would have happened in this instance if the referees had just complained to the SFA and stuck within the 'chain of command' as you put it? I'm going with nothing, same as with most companies. Are you in the army by any chance? "that is utterly ridiculous" please elaborate. "there wouldn't be much point to it otherwise" so it's ok to cause chaos to possibly thousands of other people as long as you get what you want? "I'm going with nothing, same as with most companies" so you go to the next rung on the promotional ladder, this is why it is a chain of command. It doesn't stop at the first port of call. He has a boss who in turn has a boss. You get the idea. "Are you in the army by any chance?" I recently retired after 22 years in the army which I'm very proud of. Your point is? Too many people threaten to go on strike for the least little thing now days (No I'm not belittling the refs abuse).

I too gave you a red dot. You don't go to referee a game and expect to be showered with obscenities and threats of physical violence, or threats of and / or having your car vandalised, your family threatened, your windows smashed or hit with coins. This issue is about respect. Comparing it to someone joining the armed forces seems a bit abstract to me. People sign up to the armed forces in the knowledge that you might get injured. People sitting the 30 hour referee course, taking the exam and then going out to referee games on public parks is a completely different scenario entirely. The vast majority of people who are referees (not your ?800 a match ones) do it to help young players improve and help the club, youth development or school which they work with. The actions of certain people in the SPL does have an effect on youngsters playing the game. Pushy parents who think that their child is a great prospect act like a school / youth game is the champions league final. There's an inherent lack of respect which must be addressed here. Players don't barrage other players with criticism like this. Mangers don't do it to other managers. Chairmen don't do it to other chairmen. But it's ok for everyone to have a go at the referees? This is far bigger than what is happening at present and I support the cat 1s who are taking this action. There you go, isn't that much better than hiding behind a little red dot? Don't you feel as if you've got it out of your system now? As I have already stated, my post is my opinion, to which I am perfectly entitled as are you to yours. Maybe I'm not explaining myself properly. I am not comparing the forces to reffing. I am merely pointing out there are more high pressure jobs than reffing and giving the forces as an example. As for not signing up for abuse. In this day and age any ref that thinks he will not suffer from some sort of abuse is sadly misled. YES, I know it's wrong but so are a lot of things in all walks of life. It is at this point we make a decision. Get on with it or strike. Unfortunately I am against strikes, as all they seem to do is cause chaos and nobody wins really. I am a firm believer in talking it through and coming to an amicable outcome. Striking IN MY OPINION is merely holding people to ransom. In every company there is a chain of command, this is there for a purpose. The refs complain to whoever is the point of contact at the SFA. If nothing is done, go above his head and so on until the problem is sorted. There are procedures to deal with idiots that abuse refs at all levels. Wether it be on a Sunday morning under 10s match or the world cup final. If the abuse happens during a game, the ref puts it in his report and the SFA have to have the balls to do something about it as in bans, fines etc. If it is outwith, by morons in the street, report it to the police and let them deal with it. Last but by no means least, I do not condone abuse of any sort given to match officials. I merely think it should be dealt with in a different manner. If you wish to red dot this, no probs. I can assure you that I will not lose any sleep over it. Have a nice day.

Caley Stan/Kirishima, As I pointed out in my last post, you are of course entitled to your opinion and to express it by posting little red dots if you so wish. In my defence, I do believe it is relevent in that I was merely pointing out that there are more high pressure jobs than reffing. Jobs that cause people to be abused by others verbally and physically. For the most, these people get on with it and don't strike. So IN MY OPINION the refs should just get on with it. Yes, put in a complaint to the SFA but why cause so much inconvenience to others by causing games to be postponed? The defence rests. PS: Red dots do not bother one bit, I just like to have the chance to debate the subject instead of just having people hide behind a keyboard, so thank you for having the decency to reveal yourselves.

I now see why people don't like the red/green dot system. Could who ever red dotted me please explain which part of my post was to your dislike and why. Don't get me wrong. You are perfectly entitled to dis-agree with what I've posted but if you could be man enough to post your reasons then at least it would give me the same opportunity to agree or not with you. I might also be able to explain what ever it was so that you understand where I'm coming from. Thank you

While you are absolutely right about our service men and women and what must be unbelievable pressure, football shouldn't be compared to a war zone. It's a sport for goodness sake and there must be something far wrong with society when referees and their families can be terrorised in their own homes. For what? Having the audacity to make a mistake that some paranoid a*****le sees as part of a hidden agenda. The clowns at parkhead should hang their heads in shame. All they are doing is helping the morons feel justified in their paranoia. I wish they would all grow up. Shankly was wrong.... football is not more important than live and death. Oz , i take my hat off to you sir . Perhaps you could round up some of these morons and teach them what really is important in life and it sure as **** ain't football. Robbylad, Sorry if I came across wrong in the way I wrote my rant. I'm not comparing Football with a war zone merely pointing out that there are more high pressure jobs than reffing. It seems that people are all too quick in striking when something happens that they don't like. If we all did that the world would come to a stand still. Now don't get me wrong, the refs shouldn't be subjected to the **** they are and the morons that are guilty of the abuse should be taken care of by the FA or if need be the police. Having said that I've stood on the streets of Belfast and had people question my parentage, thrown rocks and petrol bombs at me and eventually been shot at. Unfortunately I couldn't go on strike and no I'm not looking for sympathy. You just get on with it. I think the problem is the mentallity of today, the compo culture. The way we think that if someone upsets you, you should be due something in return. On the flip side, if someone is found to be breaking the rules/law then they should be dealt with. Unfortunately because of the softly softly culture that has been adapted in Britain, nothing will happen because if it did the scroats would complain about their human rights being restricted. I have to stop now, I'm building up to going out and smacking some poor innocent person just for the hell of it.

I'm probably going to get some abuse for this but hey ho, I'll just go on strike. Referees get paid (anyone know how much for a top flight ref?) to do a job.If they do that job well they get promoted up to European, world cup games. If they do that job badly (Dougie) then they will get slated. They will get called all sorts of things, they will have their parentage questioned and even possibly get the odd hollow death threat. As far as I'm concerned, if that is as far as it goes so what, it's part of the job and at the end of the day sticks and stones etc. Try going to Afghanistan and doing your job badly, it won't be sticks and stones coming at you and you won't be able to go on strike either. I think that too many people in this day and age are too quick to start moaning and complaining about the way thay are treated. In the old days if a ref got some abuse off a player, manager, fan he would have given as good as he got. Unfortunately there are too many spoilt brats in the game (on all sides of the whistle) that can't take it. All this strike will do is alienate refs even more because it will inconvenience so many people that have booked trains, planes, buses, hotels etc. Man up and get on with it. PS: If the player, manager etc does go a bit over the top (Celtic) Then the SFA should be man enough to do something about it.

If I practise hard I might be able to get a job on the Marks and Spencers advert.

My teams are as follows: 1. ICT My home team 2. Liverpool Supported since childhood 3. Valencia When I lived there they were my local team 4. En-ger-land En-ger-land En-ger-land Because I love lost causes.

I told myself not to get involved in this but it has got that rediculous that I just had to. This system, used properly should be a fair and simple way of showing your opinion on a post. Unfortunately there will always be those that will use it to their advantage to covertly bully some of the more "gentle" souls amongst us. These people can only get away with bullying if you let them. Stand up to them and they lose interest. Give in to them by crying and they have won and will keep on bullying you. Unfortunately there are a few on here that like the anonymity that a forum allows and take advantage of it. These people are not worth worrying about. Would they be as mouthy if they were face to face? I some how doubt it. On the flipside, Mahonio, you need to grow up and get a back bone. There are guys and girls being blown to bits in Afghanistan and you're worried because someone gave you some red dots on an internet forum. See it for what it is, in the great scheme of things it will not effect you in any way. Anyway, rant over, cue the red dots.

You really have a nice outlook on life don't you? The guy was a star in his younger days. It is such a waste that he has ended up this way. Let's hope your loved ones don't end up like him. They might be locked in the garage to avoid any embarrassment to you.

Errr, I was only joking guys but just for PMF. :_sleep:

Hi Dave Welcome aboard. You'll soon get to see that the folks on here really love and respect all things English. Just don't take it to heart and you'll be fine. Their bark is worse than their bite. :_wink:

That's right, nothing ever happens to Scottish players when representing thier country does it? they're good as gold aren't they? Short memories.

Some light reading. Englands-record-against-Scotland

Too be perfectly honest, if England played Scotland today I think England would win but it would not be the easy ride that it should be going by stats and rankings. England are no longer a force to be reckoned with. They have a few great players in the team but there is also a lot of dross there who just expect to be picked on reputation alone. They don't play with pride or commitment. Look at Rooney, not one goal and every time he lost the ball it was a case oh well someone else can get it back. When he's at Manure he always chases everything, why not for England. Heskey, what is he doing in an England shirt? He's not even playing regularly in the prem so why is he playing in the world cup? Even Stevie G didn't live up to expectations and he normally gives everything. Oh well, come the Euros I think I'll support Scotland.

Even as an English fan I can see that it would have to be Adam and not wayne for that statement to be possible.

Of course, anything you say. Maybe you should change your name to DalneighOracle. Careful that chip doesn't fall off your shoulder. Remember it was " banter " when you fools thought you were going to win it . This fool never thought we would win it, this fool thought (wrongly) that we had a good chance of doing well. At least we had a chance.

Remind me , what was the score the last time Scotland played england ? And you say England live on past glories. It doesn't get much more present than the LAST fixture Too easy . Almost as easy as it was for the Germans the other day It's a shame when your country's greatest achievement is beating England.

Remind me , what was the score the last time Scotland played england ? And you say England live on past glories.