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No kidding, I tell ya................. Go on yersel Alex

I didn't think we looked like Brazil at all, and it was certainly better than shopping.

You may or may not have spotted this on the news, but here is the link to the BBC news site Hearts player assaulted Footballer charged over assault Hibernian footballer Darren McCormack has been charged over an alleged assault on Hearts striker Calum Elliot. Mind you, having seen a video of him dancing...............

Woohooo Got all my tickets now, ready for the Messiah.

It's all in this thread Kyle.

Check the Lionel red card thread and try and work it out. It may be the next SPL game????

Dude, the wee clip does not suggest Rooney was playing anyone onside. Check the BBC online video again and tell me how you come to that conclusion. He appears to me to be at least one metre offside.

I fail to see how the goal should have stood. He was all alone, stuck out like a sore thumb and the lineman missed it, unbelievable. We are not talking about our individual performaces here, but the officials who changed the shape of the game. We still played poorly and may well have still lost, but the game hinged on that decision, lets hope it is not relegation that hinges on it as well. Refereeing decisions like this should be highlighted to the refereeing officialdome and wages docked. These are not whinges, but fact, at least I believe it to be fact, I have not seen an in line view of the incident yet, but at the game he looked offside, and on BBC online there is no hope in hell that he was onside when the ball was kicked.

Next season, clean slate, new players, ie Butchers team, thats when to judge him. I do believe we have just enough in the tank to keep us up, but the old regime should have been shown the door earlier to give Butcher more time to craft something.

I agree to an extent that Lionel has not hit the high spots of his first few games, but we as fans have put him in the spotlight, and any error he makes is being highlighted, whereas we are ignoring others who are not being scrutinised to the same extent. For instance, I see little criticism of Ryan Esson, but he has been guilty of greater boobs than Lionel. Dougie Imrie, idolised by the sesh boys has not been productive of late, and the other idol, Rooney has failed in front of goals. Contrast that with the attention given in detail to Barrowman then it would appear that some factions of our support have their own heroes and nothing will change their mind, as is their right of course. Maybe Mr Butcher needs some criticism, after all he is playing these guys, or not, as the case might be.

Absolutely, we are still suffering from the Brewster hangover, his legacy will linger for longer and the effects could leave us feeling rough for a while yet. The remedy is here, but may need some time to take effect, the initial high has worn off and the depression has kicked in. But all is not lost, after all, we are still not bottom of the league yet.

Not the Butcher must go period, but Butcher must think long and hard about his team selections and tactics and substitutions. Duncan was not dropped as far as I am aware, the official line was he had an injury. I would have thought Kerr should have been on the park, he may at least have been able to create something.

I don't for a minute buy the complacency theory. The guys tried, they tried hard, but they were just not good enough. Going a goal down was almost against the flow of the game at that point as we had weathered Falkirks early rush. That changed the pattern of the game, instead of defending for a draw, we needed to score, we then made it more difficult by losing a sloppy second, the rest was academic. Poor display not helped by an extremely poor refereeing decision that was the first goal, but it's history now, we can't go back. Tell me then how did St Mirren beat Celtic 1 week after being gubbed 7-0 by the same team? Utter tosh 5th stand, I am sure nobody thought they would cruise to a victory away from home against Falkirk, so often a thorn in our side. Butcher and Malpas should shoulder a lot of the blame, they set out the team and it was the wrong one, along with the wrong tactics. Deja Brew.

Did you copy my marks, we gave Lionel the same. Having seen Pavels miss the ball for the second, maybe we should rescind half a point.

They may be thrown out if the police were to hear it, although highly unlikely, but it would depend on the nature of the abuse and how it was interfering with others enjoyment etc. Threatening behaviour would be a criminal offence I would have thought. If Barrowman came up to you in the street and told you what was repeatedly said to him yesterday....... hearing aid now turned down........how did you know I was deaf?

It makes no difference where it is, it's immature and against the law. If someone came up to you in the street and personally abused you, what would your reaction be. Don't shout, my ears are sore.

It was always going to be tough Bob, we are in the big boys league now, it's the way it goes. I suppose if they don't win, then there would be no win bonuses paid out, so there is a small incentive there to do better. Some of our guys would command games in other SPL teams, but like other teams, not all of them would be top of the shopping list.

Aye whatever MJ, I think you will find that you can not express your feelings any way you want. A lot of it will be against the law. A lot of people were far from happy, but not everyone vented their anger in the manner that you are suggesting. I was unhappy, in fact I was almost numb with bewilderment, but shouting expletives and abuse at our own players is quite frankly immature and downright rude. Keep it for the Buddies in a couple of weeks.

I also disagree that it entitles fans to shout what they like. It is in a public place and should be kept civil. I am no saint when shouting at players, but the abuse some of them get is nothing short of a criminal offence. Your ticket entitles you to get into the ground and abide by any rules set within the Stadium. Watch and encourage, it's called supporting.

Highlights up on BBC site now. The second goal was a combination of poor play. Grantie made a feeble challenge, the ball gets headed forward, Pavels misses it, the ball gets knocked through, and Rossco is trailing in the wake unable to make up the ground. Poor play all round. Penalty looks like a penalty to me. Esson was booked earlier as well, protesting about the first goal. Bad day at the office.

cheers yngwie, I merged posts but the poll disappeared, my bad.

I think it was because away fans had been hammering on the box panels at the rear of the stand. Using them to create more noise. Most of the panels were a bit battered and bent.

Sometimes the truth hurts. However, not cool to annoy our own players before they even kick a ball, save that for the opposition.

Yeah, unhappy birthday big T

Esson :D :D :D Not a great deal to do, apart from picking the ball out of the net and getting sent off Tokely :D :D :D :D :D My man of the match again this week, maybe the captains armband awaits McMagics :D :D :D :D Solid again, sacrificed when Esson red carded, but no reflection on his performance. Grantie :015: sorry Grant, but that was another ineffective performance from someone we need to be leading by example. Maybe getting rid of the armband will relieve the tension. Lionel :D :P Not his best game, left exposed at times and getting some stick for the first goal. Proctor :D :D :D Put in a decent shift, but no goal threat from him, still doing better than expected. Black :D :D Once again not at his best, caught up in some verbals and never got to grips with the midfield, just too frantic for him to get his foot on the ball and create. Duncan :D :D Poor game from Russell and rightly hooked to make way for Barrowman Foran :D :D :D tried hard but not his most productive position, get him up front now. Rooney :D :D :D Also worked hard, missed good chance in first half from tight angle, close on a couple of occasions in second half but eventually blocked/crowded out, more pace needed. Imrie :D :D Dougie has gone off the boil, missed a volley by yards, still plenty energy but not using it to good effect. Subs :D one emoticon for turning up between the three of them. Away fans :thumb04: :018: ;) give yersels a clap Sheep herding jobsworth officious stewards :021: GTF