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Gary Glitter's devastated. 33 trapped minors and he didn't get there on time.

Have a green dot. I too seriously wish him well, the more exposure our (Highland) players get the better. His save in that game was unbelievable, a joy to watch.

Michael Fraser?

As with most clubs, we'll develop our own talent and seek out other class players who suit our game. Local talent...

Who?

Did he not travel from Kinlochbervie for midweek training and matchdays, his wages probably just covered his travelling expenses. Crouch runs like Davy.

Not cringing at all. In the context of a poem it is just a bit of fun, mun. The OP was cringeworthy but some people think they can post anything and have everyone else understand it.

Harry Gows Pineapple cake & Dream Rings. :biggrin:

We will have one in Nairn soon I believe, something for the future.

You seem to be offended by my choice of language, my apologies. I believe that fan ownership while emotionally appealing would be detrimental to clubs like ourselves. I enjoy entertaining SPL clubs in Inverness but don't believe that we would even have got to the top half of the First division without having good business minds at the helm. Unless of course you think they would still be there and supplying wads of cash as and when requested? I may be wrong as I haven't actually seen the business model, but I'm guessing these successful teams you talk of have a wider fanbase than ourselves with a much larger cashflow. For each of the successful ones, how many poor ones are there? What are their facilities like? Do they have a quality stadium? Regulation isn't the answer, that would repel many potential investors who would opt to put their money elsewhere. That's like the shampoo adverts on telly CD, in tests 79% of women say they prefer it (12 women asked). Having a figurehead at a club who is able to make split second decisions is what drives them forward, decisions by committee take for ever and are usually a compromise. That's fine if you want mediocrity. What form would that voice take? A member on the board? DEE4LIFE have a member on the Dundee board, what good did it do them? A hypothetical question here, if you won the EuroMillions tonight and decided to invest millions in ICT would you not want a say in how it was spent? Okay we're going to build a firewatch tower higher than the bridge. I know that if I invested I wouldn't necessarily want to protect my money but I'd certainly want to be sure it was being spent wisely. I would be interested to see what business models you refer too above, not to dissect them but from a fans point of view. I have my opinions but also an open mind.

It wasn't just the players that didn't get paid though, they've been told they'll get it next week. Some parallels are appearing with what happened at Livi and Gretna. It's sad.

I was just looking at the fixtures and Rangers play two midweek games before we meet them at Ibrox and another after. Given our away form I am optimistic we'll get something from that game. 20th Oct away to Valencia 24th Oct away to Celtic 27th Oct away to Killie (League Cup QF) 30th Oct home to ICT 2nd Nov home to Valencia

Not too much to ask, no. Bbut it may be in the lower echelons for a while yet before DFC can rebuild. It's not possible to survive on past glories, there really needs to be a long term plan in place which is where Dundee failed. Good luck.

Sorry CD, but I think you're pi55ing in the wind there. All systems have their flaws because humans are involved in them and we are emotive beings. Who wouldn't take a wee gamble if the rewards were great? Rules may guide people to correct actions but rules can be interpreted to suit each circumstance. I appreciate your concerns but I doubt that it workable let alone probable that the associations will impose business models with financial rules/restrictions on member clubs. The member clubs would simply veto it or set up another association.

I was finding it difficult being positive going into this game but have now changed my prediction from 0-2 to 3-2. Cheers Chris.

My point is that the revenues were relatively safe, so when setting budget plans for say a five year strategy clubs would use the projected income. When this dropped a lot of clubs had existing commitments which resulted in much of the debt that is still being serviced in Scottish football, servicing debt from a reduced income isn't easy. That's the chance they take and sometimes it pays off sometimes it fails. Greenock Morton for example are in debt to the tune of a million pounds to their benefactor but he is in no hurry to have it back. He could pass away tomorrow (quite elderly) and his executors could call the loan in, is that mismanagement by their board? I don't think so. We have to trust people but I think the situation with Melville is a bit different as he had no connection at all with DFC before he arrived. What were his motives? I'd much rather entrust my club to a man who has a vested interest in it rather than a group that want success at any cost. By all means have a greater share ownership in the community (at ICT I believe there are still shares available to buy?) but to guide a successful business you need a successful business leader. We have one. Community ownership, should we split the club and rejoin the Highland league? (have you read animal farm?) If we'd had a greater community ownership in the early 90s I don't believe ICT would exist. It's all too easy to point and laugh without giving much thought to what the consequences could have been for us if we'd stayed in the first division. Dundee are no different though are they? They get a tax bill and it threatens their existence. Okay it shouldn't be a surprise to them, but they took a gamble at reaching the SPL which if it had paid off would have seen them sitting pretty (a couple of sell out crowds a season). They had a benefactor who promised to back them (would you turn down a soft loan for a shot at the big time) who as it turns out has his own problems. Look at ourselves a few years ago, our board got us into a mountain of debt and it looked like we would have to go part time then we got a massive boost with a cup run and the momentum carried us trough to the SPL with the help of our current benefactor. If he was to walk would we survive or go into freefall? You've just got to trust in people. There are many clubs outside of the SPL with far greater debt than Dundee, should they clear that debt before concentrating on football matters? What about the SPL then? eg. Rangers? It would be wrong for a club of Dundee's size and stature not to aim for promotion (why compete if you don't want to win?) They took a chance on Melville, is he backing out, is he letting them down? They had the biggest transfer budget next to Celtic which was covered by Melville. I would be surprised if their wages bill was dissimilar to ours. I believe that league restructuring will be Dundee's route back to the SPL if they can see off the wolves at their door just now. Good luck to them....again!

Don't tie your hands behind your own back, are we all as well informed about our clubs finances as we'd like to think? Our limitted budget as it was last year was still unsustainable for us in the first division and was also one of the biggest given we had one of the largest squads. We had a few decisions go our way in the run in and Dundee lost their bottle, had it gone the other way Dundee could be in the SPL with a healthier bank account, we'd probably be struggling mid to lower table in the first with a much reduced squad/budget and possibly a new management team. There but for the grace of God... Enjoy what you have but don't forget where you came from.

Joking aside, it's a sad day for Scottish football when so many clubs are facing financial hardship whether it's brought on by themselves or not. If the money was still coming in from TV deals and sponsorship deals, most clubs would be in a much healthier state. The only club I have little or no sympathy for is Hearts as they are consistently spending more on wages than they earn, that's got to catch up with them very soon. Oh, and the old firm too of course. Mustn't forget them.

Nae Boaby does it better. Who needs money when you've got MAC.

I'm not so sure Jocky would strike a deal with Grassa though unless it involved a game of connect 4.

Your keyboard's broken.

Did TCS not host an U21 Euro qualifier a few years back? I agree with what you're saying, too much space.

:laugh: Would he not burn the flowers with his Jetpack? Hi SFL2, hiya pal.

I would prefer the original poster to state his point when he posts drivel such as that was. I too can have a laugh at my accent but the original post was inflammatory and not celebratory as suggested by the OP.

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