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I know what went on Harry . Why would Esson be dropped for the good of the team when he hasn't made any mistakes ? Maybe he's an erse who's disrupting the team spirit??? Who fecking knows but one thing I've learned from playing in a few different footie teams is the manager is ALWAYS right.... even when you disagree with tactics, decisions etc. you do exactly as he says because he is your manager!! What does a goalkeeper have to argue about anyway? He dives inside the sticks, kicks the ball out and tries to keep the defence right, other than that he should keep his mouth shut and get on with it because that is what he's paid to do. yeah so if the manager is always right, then that surely means if things go wrong like us possibly going down its the managers fault. appraisal and fault come hand in hand. people should realise that. everyone is comparing butcher to brew, well obvously he looks good then. but like brews, butcher's record isn't that great as a manager, infact they are very similar. esson shouldn't have been dropped. 23 points from 16 games... again, what exactly were you expecting?? I'll agree with you that Brew is culpable but how can you blame Butcher?? you obviously don't rate the guy, which is fair enough but I think you are clutching at straws i wasn't expecting much but i just think its the people who say how great he is that are clutching at straws. he has done well in some games but done awful in games he should have the team winning in. its no good getting points against the OF if he cant the get the team to beat poorer teams, that isn't signs of a good manager. surely you can see sence in that?

what, you mean not like the 3-2 win over celtic last year. brew has had these up and downs too you know. there is no difference between the two managers when it comes to their careers as a manager. i think they are both pretty bad.

Actually I think Butcher & Malpas will deserve some of the blame if we do get relegated. Given the situation when they came on board they achieved a minor miracle in getting us off the bottom. However, consistently poor team selections have taken us form the verge of safety back to the brink of relegation. We can't pin that on clueless Craig complately agree, at the end of the day it's football...it's simple one team has to score more goals than the other and its the managers duty to play his best 11 in the appropriate positions, if he does not do this then the manager has to take at least 50% of the blame and then same to the players. If people want to kid themselves and blame it on the board then go on but your just delusional. People need to wake up and realise this, butcher and brew both have done pretty poor jobs when you look at the actual facts which are the lack of points on the board from both managers. people just look stupid if they want to argue with facts. you could say butcher did well when he came first came in but now he has almost chucked it all away. he has to take a huge chunk of the blame as at end of the day it was his job to keep us up...NOONE elses. 23 points from 16 games since Butcher took over, including a win and a draw against either side of the old firm. I'm struggling to see what you're getting at... with that sort of points tally we would be in the top 6 if he was incharge from the start of the season. There has been a couple of dissapointing results but what are you expecting... perfection? It's my fault for not being at as many games as I should have at the start of the season and for backing Brew til the end :023: i I agree. How some people can slag off TB is unbelievible. Just cos a result doesnt go our way, look at what he has done since he arrived! IF WE STAY U IT WILL BE A DIFFERENT STORY EH. no it won't be as i have never thought butcher was a capable manager. look through all my post since butcher has come in, i have never jumped on the ban wagan, i don't rate him. he has been fired from too many jobs to be as good as people may think on here.

I know what went on Harry . Why would Esson be dropped for the good of the team when he hasn't made any mistakes ? Maybe he's an erse who's disrupting the team spirit??? Who fecking knows but one thing I've learned from playing in a few different footie teams is the manager is ALWAYS right.... even when you disagree with tactics, decisions etc. you do exactly as he says because he is your manager!! What does a goalkeeper have to argue about anyway? He dives inside the sticks, kicks the ball out and tries to keep the defence right, other than that he should keep his mouth shut and get on with it because that is what he's paid to do. yeah so if the manager is always right, then that surely means if things go wrong like us possibly going down its the managers fault. appraisal and fault come hand in hand. people should realise that. everyone is comparing butcher to brew, well obvously he looks good then. but like brews, butcher's record isn't that great as a manager, infact they are very similar. esson shouldn't have been dropped.

apart from the fact that ferguson and mouriniho are far superior managers in every right...no of course they couldn't have done better than terry butcher...I stopped taking what you were writing seriously after you mentioned butcher and malpas in the same sentence as the aforementioned. wow. for one they wouldn't just chuck any old player in any old position, that's called chancing your luck, they would play the best 11 available every week in the correct positions because that's what good managers do. butcher hasn't done this and it's his job to do so. butcher has to take blame if we go down full stop.

just to be annoying....The first thing about the colour black is that it actually isn't a colour; it is an absence of colour. Technically you can't get the colour black. If you did it would appear as a silhouette with no distinguishable features whatsoever.

can we afford any wages that are at the moment if we go down??

Actually I think Butcher & Malpas will deserve some of the blame if we do get relegated. Given the situation when they came on board they achieved a minor miracle in getting us off the bottom. However, consistently poor team selections have taken us form the verge of safety back to the brink of relegation. We can't pin that on clueless Craig complately agree, at the end of the day it's football...it's simple one team has to score more goals than the other and its the managers duty to play his best 11 in the appropriate positions, if he does not do this then the manager has to take at least 50% of the blame and then same to the players. If people want to kid themselves and blame it on the board then go on but your just delusional. People need to wake up and realise this, butcher and brew both have done pretty poor jobs when you look at the actual facts which are the lack of points on the board from both managers. people just look stupid if they want to argue with facts. you could say butcher did well when he came first came in but now he has almost chucked it all away. he has to take a huge chunk of the blame as at end of the day it was his job to keep us up...NOONE elses.

nuh...he just got dropped by TB. TB wanted to change the team abit I see, I'm very surprised at that interesting choice by big Terry. Although to be fair his decisions so far have been good. I trust him........ i've got to be honest i dont think its butcher i think we've been pretty lucky with the points we've picked up. I haven't seen what everyone else see's in butcher. as far as i'm concerned he has made some serious errors with player selection. i'm glad to say i haven't jumped onto the butcher ban wagan that most people have hopped onto. people are kidding themselves if they think it's the boards fault we go down, it's not, it's down to the management and players on the park. frankly most of them think they are better than what they are. i.e dougie f**king imrie. there's no excuses we just haven't been good enough. I doubt getting results against Rangers, Celtic and Dundee United soon after Butcher arrived was lucky considering we struggled to pick up a single point in all the previous weeks. new manager syndrome...simple. well what does that matter when we are playing possibly our last SPL match next week...you don't really have a strong argument, coz if he was that great we wouldn't be in this position.

I haven't seen what everyone else see's in butcher. as far as i'm concerned he has made some serious errors with player selection. i'm glad to say i haven't jumped onto the butcher ban wagan that most people have hopped onto. people are kidding themselves if they think it's the boards fault we go down, it's not, it's down to the management and players on the park. frankly most of them think they are better than what they are. i.e dougie f**king imrie. there's no excuses we just haven't been good enough.

nuh...he just got dropped by TB. TB wanted to change the team abit I see, I'm very surprised at that interesting choice by big Terry. Although to be fair his decisions so far have been good. I trust him........ i've got to be honest i dont think its butcher i think we've been pretty lucky with the points we've picked up. I haven't seen what everyone else see's in butcher. as far as i'm concerned he has made some serious errors with player selection. i'm glad to say i haven't jumped onto the butcher ban wagan that most people have hopped onto. people are kidding themselves if they think it's the boards fault we go down, it's not, it's down to the management and players on the park. frankly most of them think they are better than what they are. i.e dougie f**king imrie. there's no excuses we just haven't been good enough.

well if butcher decides to go with another risky line up then i fear the worse. If we go down then i fear we will loose a few good players and possibly stay down. if we go down say goodbye to foran, kerr, vigurs, definitely 100% black, esson, morais and so on. next saturday is make or break, if we don't win say goodbye to the SPL for a wee while.

i think dougie has found his level at ICT, possibly still punching above his weight, it's quite scary though that he thinks he's good enough to get a move to Rangers nevermind a top six team. he is ok but doesn't have huge potential, poor guy, who is going to tell him that he is just a bang average player.

:023: good player Iain Vigurs - Naw Brian Kerr - Aye Pavels Mihadjuks - Aye Richie Foran - Aye Thierry Gathuessi - Naw Filipe Morais - Aye Richie Byrne - Naw Lionel Djebi-Zadi - Naw Zander Sutherland - Aye Eric Odhiambo - Aye Roy McBain - Aye why would you not want vigurs re-signed but mcbain and sutherland...what planet are you on??

Well that's not very nice is it. :thumb04: But of the players who are out of contract at the end of the summer: Iain Vigurs - Aye Brian Kerr - Aye Pavels Mihadjuks - Aye Richie Foran - Aye Thierry Gathuessi - No Filipe Morais - Aye Richie Byrne - No Lionel Djebi-Zadi - Aye Zander Sutherland - Maybe (loan him out) Eric Odhiambo - Possibly Roy McBain - Hmmm Players who aren't out of contact but I'd still dump - Phil McGuire, Oh please get rid of him, please! i'd go with that as well with the priority players being Vigurs, Mihadjuks, Morais and Kerr (who does need to get his fitness up though). Don't rate Foran too much as the aforementioned but still get him signed. As for the like of the younger lads coming through only offer them contracts if they are the standard of the like of Vigurs and Duff otherwise there is no point. I think clubs make the mistake of offering youngsters just for the sake of it, i don't really think we have any that offer much to be honest, they may be ok at 19's level the likes of morrison etc but that isn't good enough, you need to be exceptional at 19's level i think before you can jump to first team football otherwise your paying these players just to turn up to training with no intention of ever playing them, it's not right and it's unfair to give false hope to the young lads. Your also paying those players because the rules say you must have three U-21's in your squad for league games. I really don't like that rule.

There are a few things the club could do to keep him, I believe one is in place at the moment and that is Butcher, Blackie likes him as a person as well as respecting him as a manager. The second would go a long way, get Butcher signed as manager long term, they will need to match Hearts wages (dont know what he has been offered), Butcher has made it clear he wants him but until he knows they are safe and what money will be available to him, what can he do. As said previously he loves Inverness, likes the people, so as usual all down to the Board of ICT. I really hope that we keep Black but I can't see it happening as if the club were to match the wages that Hearts have offered which I believe to be more than 2k a week then that is going to open the flood gates for players both present and new asking for wages in the same region so im not sure how it could work? I assume you know or are related to Ian so you probably know far more than me but that's how I look at it.

I was just wondering if people agree with the rule of having to have three under 21's in the team whether it be on the bench or starting? I personally don't agree with it as it forces managers to bring youths who aren't good enough or are far from ready from the 19's up to the first team for the sake of it. If they are good enough then great but if not I don't think this does any favours to scottish football like people may think it does...for example these players who are taken up hardly ever get used to play, Vigurs and Duff our two best youths to come through from the 19's in years hardly get a game so what chance do the players that aren't that great have, and from what i've seen and heard the 19's players looking to get contracts are nowhere near the standard of Vigurs and Duff so whats the point. This rule stops the players going to the appropriate level and playing competitive football and learning their trade to hopefully become good players. We must have at least 50 youngsters in the SPL not playing at all apart from the reserve league which most of them can't stand playing in because it's the least inspiring football ever. If these players were playing for teams in the 1st, 2nd division then they would be playing competitve games which is far more appealing and benificial to them. If these players then prove themselves at this level then the cream will rise to the top giving Scotland a better standard of player. I want young players to be playing not warming a bench for the sake of it, that helps nobody at the end of the day.

Well that's not very nice is it. :thumb04: But of the players who are out of contract at the end of the summer: Iain Vigurs - Aye Brian Kerr - Aye Pavels Mihadjuks - Aye Richie Foran - Aye Thierry Gathuessi - No Filipe Morais - Aye Richie Byrne - No Lionel Djebi-Zadi - Aye Zander Sutherland - Maybe (loan him out) Eric Odhiambo - Possibly Roy McBain - Hmmm Players who aren't out of contact but I'd still dump - Phil McGuire, Oh please get rid of him, please! i'd go with that as well with the priority players being Vigurs, Mihadjuks, Morais and Kerr (who does need to get his fitness up though). Don't rate Foran too much as the aforementioned but still get him signed. As for the like of the younger lads coming through only offer them contracts if they are the standard of the like of Vigurs and Duff otherwise there is no point. I think clubs make the mistake of offering youngsters just for the sake of it, i don't really think we have any that offer much to be honest, they may be ok at 19's level the likes of morrison etc but that isn't good enough, you need to be exceptional at 19's level i think before you can jump to first team football otherwise your paying these players just to turn up to training with no intention of ever playing them, it's not right and it's unfair to give false hope to the young lads.

how can you justify putting pavel into midfield just because he is a good defender, we already have midfielders to play midfield that's why they are called midfielders...so no don't put a defender in central midfield as we have have more proficient players to play there. you don't put blackie at the CB because he is too good a player to leave out the team.

I agree with this team and formation. People are saying why change a winning team...well playing away from home to playing at home requires different tactics. we need to be more positive at home, that team above are all very positive players with blackie running the show. since kerr has come in blackie has dipped in form so I agree with leaving kerr out. What planet are you guys on. It has to be a 4-4-2 formation and minimal changes to a winning team. What has Gatheussi done to displace Proctor?. the centre back pairing of Tokely and Munro has been solid. Did it escape you that Black had a good game yesterday because Kerr was playing??. Doubt if we will see many changes and that is the way it should be. keep a winning tean together, that is waht has got us where we are in the SPL. where we are in the SPL....relegation battle....hmmmm....maybe not a strong argument point there. keeping the same team doesn't mean we are going to win a game, you have to look at the opposition and pick the team accordingly. as for black playing well because kerr...haha...black has been brilliant all season, however, since kerr came in black has had to knock his pan in running all over the place because kerr is so static affecting the stronger points of blacks game , so NO it wasn't because kerr was playing.

well done to blackie he deserves it, as for him staying next season your having a laugh, not a chance he is going to stay at ICT. why would he turn down a top six team in a great city and far better wages...not a chance. people should stop kidding themselves.

I agree with this team and formation. People are saying why change a winning team...well playing away from home to playing at home requires different tactics. we need to be more positive at home, that team above are all very positive players with blackie running the show. since kerr has come in blackie has dipped in form so I agree with leaving kerr out.

Emm What? In other words if Maurice could pass as well as Vigurs can pass then Maurice would still be playing now , I think that's what I said isn't it?

are you saying wood and vigurs aren't good enough? If so then you are going to get a big shock when you see the youngsters they have now as none of them come close to wood or especially vigurs. I was told that MM said to vigurs if he could pass like vigurs he would still be playing now, so he must rate vigurs pretty highly.

none of the mentioned players in the 19's have anywhere near the potential that vigurs, duff etc have so I doubt they will be seen in the first team anytime soon if at all in the next three years if they are kept on. I noticed morrison was on the bench but i think that was to kick some first team players up the arse as butcher would never use a under 19's player if he isn't going to play our young first team players.