CaleyP

Actually I think Butcher & Malpas will deserve some of the blame if we do get relegated. Given the situation when they came on board they achieved a minor miracle in getting us off the bottom. However, consistently poor team selections have taken us form the verge of safety back to the brink of relegation. We can't pin that on clueless Craig complately agree, at the end of the day it's football...it's simple one team has to score more goals than the other and its the managers duty to play his best 11 in the appropriate positions, if he does not do this then the manager has to take at least 50% of the blame and then same to the players. If people want to kid themselves and blame it on the board then go on but your just delusional. People need to wake up and realise this, butcher and brew both have done pretty poor jobs when you look at the actual facts which are the lack of points on the board from both managers. people just look stupid if they want to argue with facts. you could say butcher did well when he came first came in but now he has almost chucked it all away. he has to take a huge chunk of the blame as at end of the day it was his job to keep us up...NOONE elses.

nuh...he just got dropped by TB. TB wanted to change the team abit I see, I'm very surprised at that interesting choice by big Terry. Although to be fair his decisions so far have been good. I trust him........ i've got to be honest i dont think its butcher i think we've been pretty lucky with the points we've picked up. I haven't seen what everyone else see's in butcher. as far as i'm concerned he has made some serious errors with player selection. i'm glad to say i haven't jumped onto the butcher ban wagan that most people have hopped onto. people are kidding themselves if they think it's the boards fault we go down, it's not, it's down to the management and players on the park. frankly most of them think they are better than what they are. i.e dougie f**king imrie. there's no excuses we just haven't been good enough. I doubt getting results against Rangers, Celtic and Dundee United soon after Butcher arrived was lucky considering we struggled to pick up a single point in all the previous weeks. new manager syndrome...simple. well what does that matter when we are playing possibly our last SPL match next week...you don't really have a strong argument, coz if he was that great we wouldn't be in this position.

I haven't seen what everyone else see's in butcher. as far as i'm concerned he has made some serious errors with player selection. i'm glad to say i haven't jumped onto the butcher ban wagan that most people have hopped onto. people are kidding themselves if they think it's the boards fault we go down, it's not, it's down to the management and players on the park. frankly most of them think they are better than what they are. i.e dougie f**king imrie. there's no excuses we just haven't been good enough.

nuh...he just got dropped by TB. TB wanted to change the team abit I see, I'm very surprised at that interesting choice by big Terry. Although to be fair his decisions so far have been good. I trust him........ i've got to be honest i dont think its butcher i think we've been pretty lucky with the points we've picked up. I haven't seen what everyone else see's in butcher. as far as i'm concerned he has made some serious errors with player selection. i'm glad to say i haven't jumped onto the butcher ban wagan that most people have hopped onto. people are kidding themselves if they think it's the boards fault we go down, it's not, it's down to the management and players on the park. frankly most of them think they are better than what they are. i.e dougie f**king imrie. there's no excuses we just haven't been good enough.

well if butcher decides to go with another risky line up then i fear the worse. If we go down then i fear we will loose a few good players and possibly stay down. if we go down say goodbye to foran, kerr, vigurs, definitely 100% black, esson, morais and so on. next saturday is make or break, if we don't win say goodbye to the SPL for a wee while.

i think dougie has found his level at ICT, possibly still punching above his weight, it's quite scary though that he thinks he's good enough to get a move to Rangers nevermind a top six team. he is ok but doesn't have huge potential, poor guy, who is going to tell him that he is just a bang average player.

:023: good player Iain Vigurs - Naw Brian Kerr - Aye Pavels Mihadjuks - Aye Richie Foran - Aye Thierry Gathuessi - Naw Filipe Morais - Aye Richie Byrne - Naw Lionel Djebi-Zadi - Naw Zander Sutherland - Aye Eric Odhiambo - Aye Roy McBain - Aye why would you not want vigurs re-signed but mcbain and sutherland...what planet are you on??

Well that's not very nice is it. :thumb04: But of the players who are out of contract at the end of the summer: Iain Vigurs - Aye Brian Kerr - Aye Pavels Mihadjuks - Aye Richie Foran - Aye Thierry Gathuessi - No Filipe Morais - Aye Richie Byrne - No Lionel Djebi-Zadi - Aye Zander Sutherland - Maybe (loan him out) Eric Odhiambo - Possibly Roy McBain - Hmmm Players who aren't out of contact but I'd still dump - Phil McGuire, Oh please get rid of him, please! i'd go with that as well with the priority players being Vigurs, Mihadjuks, Morais and Kerr (who does need to get his fitness up though). Don't rate Foran too much as the aforementioned but still get him signed. As for the like of the younger lads coming through only offer them contracts if they are the standard of the like of Vigurs and Duff otherwise there is no point. I think clubs make the mistake of offering youngsters just for the sake of it, i don't really think we have any that offer much to be honest, they may be ok at 19's level the likes of morrison etc but that isn't good enough, you need to be exceptional at 19's level i think before you can jump to first team football otherwise your paying these players just to turn up to training with no intention of ever playing them, it's not right and it's unfair to give false hope to the young lads. Your also paying those players because the rules say you must have three U-21's in your squad for league games. I really don't like that rule.

There are a few things the club could do to keep him, I believe one is in place at the moment and that is Butcher, Blackie likes him as a person as well as respecting him as a manager. The second would go a long way, get Butcher signed as manager long term, they will need to match Hearts wages (dont know what he has been offered), Butcher has made it clear he wants him but until he knows they are safe and what money will be available to him, what can he do. As said previously he loves Inverness, likes the people, so as usual all down to the Board of ICT. I really hope that we keep Black but I can't see it happening as if the club were to match the wages that Hearts have offered which I believe to be more than 2k a week then that is going to open the flood gates for players both present and new asking for wages in the same region so im not sure how it could work? I assume you know or are related to Ian so you probably know far more than me but that's how I look at it.

I was just wondering if people agree with the rule of having to have three under 21's in the team whether it be on the bench or starting? I personally don't agree with it as it forces managers to bring youths who aren't good enough or are far from ready from the 19's up to the first team for the sake of it. If they are good enough then great but if not I don't think this does any favours to scottish football like people may think it does...for example these players who are taken up hardly ever get used to play, Vigurs and Duff our two best youths to come through from the 19's in years hardly get a game so what chance do the players that aren't that great have, and from what i've seen and heard the 19's players looking to get contracts are nowhere near the standard of Vigurs and Duff so whats the point. This rule stops the players going to the appropriate level and playing competitive football and learning their trade to hopefully become good players. We must have at least 50 youngsters in the SPL not playing at all apart from the reserve league which most of them can't stand playing in because it's the least inspiring football ever. If these players were playing for teams in the 1st, 2nd division then they would be playing competitve games which is far more appealing and benificial to them. If these players then prove themselves at this level then the cream will rise to the top giving Scotland a better standard of player. I want young players to be playing not warming a bench for the sake of it, that helps nobody at the end of the day.

Well that's not very nice is it. :thumb04: But of the players who are out of contract at the end of the summer: Iain Vigurs - Aye Brian Kerr - Aye Pavels Mihadjuks - Aye Richie Foran - Aye Thierry Gathuessi - No Filipe Morais - Aye Richie Byrne - No Lionel Djebi-Zadi - Aye Zander Sutherland - Maybe (loan him out) Eric Odhiambo - Possibly Roy McBain - Hmmm Players who aren't out of contact but I'd still dump - Phil McGuire, Oh please get rid of him, please! i'd go with that as well with the priority players being Vigurs, Mihadjuks, Morais and Kerr (who does need to get his fitness up though). Don't rate Foran too much as the aforementioned but still get him signed. As for the like of the younger lads coming through only offer them contracts if they are the standard of the like of Vigurs and Duff otherwise there is no point. I think clubs make the mistake of offering youngsters just for the sake of it, i don't really think we have any that offer much to be honest, they may be ok at 19's level the likes of morrison etc but that isn't good enough, you need to be exceptional at 19's level i think before you can jump to first team football otherwise your paying these players just to turn up to training with no intention of ever playing them, it's not right and it's unfair to give false hope to the young lads.

how can you justify putting pavel into midfield just because he is a good defender, we already have midfielders to play midfield that's why they are called midfielders...so no don't put a defender in central midfield as we have have more proficient players to play there. you don't put blackie at the CB because he is too good a player to leave out the team.

I agree with this team and formation. People are saying why change a winning team...well playing away from home to playing at home requires different tactics. we need to be more positive at home, that team above are all very positive players with blackie running the show. since kerr has come in blackie has dipped in form so I agree with leaving kerr out. What planet are you guys on. It has to be a 4-4-2 formation and minimal changes to a winning team. What has Gatheussi done to displace Proctor?. the centre back pairing of Tokely and Munro has been solid. Did it escape you that Black had a good game yesterday because Kerr was playing??. Doubt if we will see many changes and that is the way it should be. keep a winning tean together, that is waht has got us where we are in the SPL. where we are in the SPL....relegation battle....hmmmm....maybe not a strong argument point there. keeping the same team doesn't mean we are going to win a game, you have to look at the opposition and pick the team accordingly. as for black playing well because kerr...haha...black has been brilliant all season, however, since kerr came in black has had to knock his pan in running all over the place because kerr is so static affecting the stronger points of blacks game , so NO it wasn't because kerr was playing.

well done to blackie he deserves it, as for him staying next season your having a laugh, not a chance he is going to stay at ICT. why would he turn down a top six team in a great city and far better wages...not a chance. people should stop kidding themselves.

I agree with this team and formation. People are saying why change a winning team...well playing away from home to playing at home requires different tactics. we need to be more positive at home, that team above are all very positive players with blackie running the show. since kerr has come in blackie has dipped in form so I agree with leaving kerr out.

Emm What? In other words if Maurice could pass as well as Vigurs can pass then Maurice would still be playing now , I think that's what I said isn't it?

are you saying wood and vigurs aren't good enough? If so then you are going to get a big shock when you see the youngsters they have now as none of them come close to wood or especially vigurs. I was told that MM said to vigurs if he could pass like vigurs he would still be playing now, so he must rate vigurs pretty highly.

none of the mentioned players in the 19's have anywhere near the potential that vigurs, duff etc have so I doubt they will be seen in the first team anytime soon if at all in the next three years if they are kept on. I noticed morrison was on the bench but i think that was to kick some first team players up the arse as butcher would never use a under 19's player if he isn't going to play our young first team players.

your argument would have been a whole lot better if you said "Strikers score goals, Barrowman doesn't" :thumb04: Imrie has scored more than Barrowman and he is meant to be running down the wing. Not really as I was replying to a post which was talking about Imrie playing up front not Barrowman. Usually when I reply to a point someones made I have to include the point in hand.

I would say after Black leaves we only have one actual quality midfielder and that is Vigurs, as for the rest they are not quality they are just grafters so we definitely need more quality in midfield. Strikers score goals...Imrie doesn't, so I wouldn't consider him an option for striker next season. We need a striker who is proven. If we stay up which I think we'll just do we need to stop settling for poor players and stop convincing ourselves that they are good enough, technical wise individually we probably have the worst team in the league so we need to up the standard of players we bring in, if we want to be an SPL club then we need SPL players, at the moment we have possibly 5 players that meet that level, that just isn't good enough.

thats the team i'd go for. I would love to see butcher re-introduce vigurs as I think his vision could unleash Morais, we've lacked that final ball without vigurs. somehow i think vigurs is completely out of favour at the moment though, I think that was made clear on saturday with butcher putting a under 19's player in and not him...it's a shame as i think personally that vigurs is our best midfielder bar blackie.

Cant see Terry starting Vigurs or Wood. Not till next season anyway or when were save from the drop Who says vigurs and wood will be at ICT next season? I hear they haven't signed any new offers. Hopefully they are. Well they should sign both of them up they still have alot to offer the club Yeah I agree, both have talent. I think Vigurs should be re-introduced now however, need someone with that killer pass, noone is providing that at the moment.

Cant see Terry starting Vigurs or Wood. Not till next season anyway or when were save from the drop Who says vigurs and wood will be at ICT next season? I hear they haven't signed any new offers.

One of the first things that Duncan did was pass the ball out for an Aberdeen throw in breaking down his own teams attacking move! Kerr has picked up a few votes in the PotM poll so others seem to think he had a decent enough outing. Can't say I'm overly bothered if you disagree with me of course. Each to their own and all that. Fair enough, that's what forums are all about, exhange of opinions etc, all good fun. It is funny though how one person can see and have a completely different opininion from one another when watching the same player.

RiG you can not be serious about kerr toady...he had an awful game, he is the most static lazy player I have ever seen in an ICT strip. This was also the opinion of several people I was talking to that were also at the game. I don't see what people see in this guy at the moment, he does no work whatsoever, poor balckie was flying all over the place doing a job of two. Kerr doesn't close down, he doesn't track back, he doesn't support the strikers and he is the slowest player ever, when he does get to the ball he has no time to do anything with it. Now it's a shame as I've seen in the past that he is a good passer of the ball but he is just way of the pace at the moment and it looks down to pure laziness. I made a point of counting how many passes he made today after feeling the same about him last week...4 of his passes that he meant went to and ict player...that is shocking for a centre midfielder. So CaleyP are you a manager??? No doubt it. Terry and MM have seen Kerr play more times than you have and i think they no more what kind of player he is. Kerr may have played bad the day but i dont see you saying anything else about the other 10 players we had on No not a manager, I did play at professional level though and have a good understanding of the game, his work rate just isn't good enough. I thought the whole team were bad but everyone else at least put in the work rate. I don't care how many time butcher has seen kerr play that doesn't change the fact he was horrible on sat. read the posts im not the only one that thinks that.