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I have to agree IN PART, the board WILL have realised their mistake by now, BLACKIE< COWIE ....WILL....go in January and NOT at the end of the season, prospective clubs WILL put their offers in to take them away in January, and because we have F***** up YET again (Bennet), we will have to sell for a fraction of their worth, so where does this leave us then, dont tell me, I already know,oh and if it is not the DOF's fault then who's is it, he deals with the contracts, and if his strings are being pulled or reigned in, then dont we have a right to know.? Gillian I hope you are wrong about them both going in Jan, but I have a horrible feeling you may be right , if this does happen it will be a disaster for the club, losing our 2 biggest assest for next to nothing Ian knocked back contract offer today and 4 clubs interested in signing. do you know what teams?

i think tokely got a two match ban so is unavailable this sat, so we he won't be back.

i was one who wasnt to sure whether or not we should extend his contract but i actually do think its a big mistake not offering him a another six months, i thought he had a lot to offer more than just on the pitch.

with out a doubt we missed tokes, he does bring that extra i think.

If, and I stress if, he should have been tracking / did track Conway back then surely under some pressure from an ICT player he wouldn't have been able to so easily turn and score as he did? Saw that to, pretty sure it was directed at Protor for letting Conway turn on him so easily. As for whether Vigurs should have been tracking, yes he probably should have. May have come to the same conclusion but then again it might not have, we'll never know. Just worries me how much the players get p*ssed of with each other after losing a goal just now. Does nothing for the confidence getting a right going at by your team mate... I remember the days when a goal let in was the catalyst for the players to get that CMON! LETS GET THIS BACK! attitude. Now its a blame game! i noticed that both vigurs and black were within tracking distance of conway...i think they were passing him on to proctor..whether that was the correct thing to do i dont know, but i think vigurs was shouting at proc for letting conway turn him so easy. i think all three players mentioned could have done more to prevent the goal.

maybe...but can we afford to give him a chance, how long will we have to wait before he comes good, he's had 9 games to show something without success. i dont think we have the luxury of time, before we know it we could find ourselves back down in the first division, hamilton are no gretna, we are not safe this season at all im sorry to say. i say stick with wood and rooney, no point sticking with someone who is behind two of our strikers when it comes to talent and ability and goals.

yes but how many of them has he been played in the right system? I would agree I like the look of Rooney more, just saying think its a bit early to give up on Barrowman well we have played barrowman in both a 442 and 451 formation with no success. what would be the right system for barrowman, is finding the right sysytem just for barrowman worth putting the rest of the team in many different/wrong positions worth it so we can accomadate a over rated striker? i hope it's premature on my part, however, i just haven't seen much, not even glimpes to give me hope.

it has to be rooney and wood.

its not just yesterday though...he has started 9 games so he has more of a chance than rooney and he has done a lot more already than what barro has. its obvious he is struggling with the level of the spl...killie must of seen that and thats why he didnt last there.

Completely agree about Barrowman. The one time we got a ball into the box that he would have liked was the one from Cowie to Rooney. He is a penalty box predator. He isn't going to score for 30 yards and needs balls into the box for him to attack. We gave him nothing yesterday. Aye you're right. He was mince against Aberdeen in the first game of the season when we played to his strengths and he has had some other good performances since then. He isn't getting the right service because of the way we play. Hopeless, aimless long balls for an hour are going to get him nowhere. Or do you think he should have been doing better when being man marked by two 6 ft plus defenders? every striker in the league plays against the same defenders so the whole six foot plus excuse doesnt stick, its a mans game so he has to deal with it, rig i usually agree with most of what you say but i just dont think he has what it takes to play in the spl, i think he would possibly struggle in the first. he did ok against aberdeen but he has started 8 or 9 games this season so 1 performance isn't really a strong case.

you must be barrowmans mate to defend him...he is useless whatever quality of ball he gets into him and whatever formation is used.

i played against players that were a good five inches taller than me(derek townsley) at times and it didnt stop me from winning the ball in the air, bringing it down out of the air...im sorry barrowman is a poor excuse of a striker...you back with all your might and stick your fecking arse into the defender and bring the ball down, not easy but any pro should be able to do it....barrowman is useless mate, playing against 6'4" defenders shouldn't make a difference...he is light weight. im fed up of people defending this guy, there's always an excuse for his lack of talent. barrowman doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentnce as vigurs and imrie who are quality players. rooney number one choice followed by wood then rory.

agree with all that. our midfield is letting us down badly too.too many players of a similar style and some played out of position for good measure. crossing and set plays are woefull as is service to strikers.if cowie wont sign i say get him straight to f**K because we wont miss him anyway. disagree with your comments about the midfield....they have been getting nothing but absolute praise the whole season from the pundits. must be the same pundits who say the tcs is such a hard place to come to and that we're well organised and hard to break down every week. they must be right ok fair point....but i do think our midfield in my opinion are the most consistantly performing players and the most talented and have performed well so far this season. i dont think any of our midfielders are bad, they're all good players and each capable of putting on a great performance.its just they're not showing it week in week out as a unit and not providing the service required by the strikers.need a good quality midfielder in jan to play alongside black well i think we're going to need a few as we're going to lose a few i think and i think we could potentially lose black, cowie and vigurs. all of them are out of contract and none of them have accepted the deals offered to them so far.

Niculae, who most would agree was a cut above, couldn't do it all on his own. He was also guilty of missing sitters, but then he was touted as the great white hope and had a national call-up in his sights so was clearly trying too hard at times. For me the damning fact is still that a striker like Brew - **** his badges, tactics, subs, and the rest - that the guy as a *coach* cannot instruct or inspire the strikers he's brought in, to score goals. He can't even, after four months, get Barrowman to time his jumps so that he connects with the bloody ball. I dont think its any coincidence that Marius's best spell at the club was when playing in the same team as Rankin, I still think letting Rankin go was a big mistake and we havent got anyone that can give the quality of service to strikers that he did, Barry aside rankin wanted to go to hibs, i dont think we would of hung onto him if we wanted too. rankin is a good player but not better than what we have in black, cowie and vigurs, all possibly better players.

we're not really scoring goals so an experienced striker is required and we are leaking goals at the back so an experienced CB with presence is also very much needed...equally as important that we get both.

agree with all that. our midfield is letting us down badly too.too many players of a similar style and some played out of position for good measure. crossing and set plays are woefull as is service to strikers.if cowie wont sign i say get him straight to f**K because we wont miss him anyway. disagree with your comments about the midfield....they have been getting nothing but absolute praise the whole season from the pundits. must be the same pundits who say the tcs is such a hard place to come to and that we're well organised and hard to break down every week. they must be right ok fair point....but i do think our midfield in my opinion are the most consistantly performing players and the most talented and have performed well so far this season.

rooney is my number 1 choice and has been left out due to obvious favouritism and not footballing ability. barrowman a footballer...haha

agree with all that. our midfield is letting us down badly too.too many players of a similar style and some played out of position for good measure. crossing and set plays are woefull as is service to strikers.if cowie wont sign i say get him straight to f**K because we wont miss him anyway. disagree with your comments about the midfield....they have been getting nothing but absolute praise the whole season from the pundits.

i've been saying this from the begining, barrowman is not spl standard.

I fear it will be more than just blackie and cowie that go, but if this potential disaster is to happen, who is going to replace them? if we cant afford to keep these guys then that means we're not going to be able to afford to bring in guys of the same quality surely?

The home support has never really created an atmosphere even when we were playing good football, so to say the lack of atmosphere is down to the way we are playing is probably incorrect, there hasnt ever been atmosphere. The players obviously prefer playing away from home, and it's purely down to the fact that there is no energy from the home crowd, apart from the few that do their best in the north stand and fair play to them, the majority of the crowd, they just sit there, and the only time you will ever hear anything is when they are having a moan at one of our players. Players feed of the crowd and when there is no buzz about the place the players pick up on that, trust me i know. So lack of atmosphere probably is the main reason the football has been poor, maybe if the crowd did what they are meant to do and support then the team would perform better. The crowd do have to put in more effort, even before the game has started there is nothing, not a song, nothing...so you cant say that is down to bad football as the game hasn't even started yet.

The BIG difference in this scenario is that Black & Cowie will actually be coveted by other clubs. The players hold all the cards now. They just have to wait a few weeks and see what offers come there way. Certainly in the case of Black things might have been different if we'd offered him a long term contract in the summer. Too late now of course!! Nothing we can do now other than to keep our fingers crossed. If we lose both of them we are in serious trouble. Yes serious trouble, we will probably never know if the contract talks had been held earlier would it have been possible to hold onto Black, maybe not. I think most have known for a couple of seasons that black was a big player for this club and with the potential to be a great player which he has now turned into. should the club have tied to tie him up to a long term deal then, probably yes just like they are trying to do with Vigurs now. I really fear for us if we lose 1 of these players never mind the 2 of them. the club have only themselves to blame if they lose these players. when are they going to learn that they cant muck players about, they are a spl team now, so they have to start acting like one. you mentioned vigurs...they gonna have to offer him a decent deal if they want to hold onto him for any length of time, especially now it looks like they might lose blackie and cowie.

well the midfield in the current squad are the most talented with the most potential by quite a shot. for the all the other positions you could switch and mix about all day.

-------------------Esson------------------- Proctor------Duff-----Munro------McBain Cowie------Black-----Vigurs-------Imrie ------------Rooney---Barrowman-------- or -------------------Esson------------------- Proctor------Duff-----Munro------McBain Cowie------Black-----Duncan-------Vigurs ------------Rooney---Imrie--------