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rooney is my number 1 choice and has been left out due to obvious favouritism and not footballing ability. barrowman a footballer...haha

agree with all that. our midfield is letting us down badly too.too many players of a similar style and some played out of position for good measure. crossing and set plays are woefull as is service to strikers.if cowie wont sign i say get him straight to f**K because we wont miss him anyway. disagree with your comments about the midfield....they have been getting nothing but absolute praise the whole season from the pundits.

i've been saying this from the begining, barrowman is not spl standard.

I fear it will be more than just blackie and cowie that go, but if this potential disaster is to happen, who is going to replace them? if we cant afford to keep these guys then that means we're not going to be able to afford to bring in guys of the same quality surely?

The home support has never really created an atmosphere even when we were playing good football, so to say the lack of atmosphere is down to the way we are playing is probably incorrect, there hasnt ever been atmosphere. The players obviously prefer playing away from home, and it's purely down to the fact that there is no energy from the home crowd, apart from the few that do their best in the north stand and fair play to them, the majority of the crowd, they just sit there, and the only time you will ever hear anything is when they are having a moan at one of our players. Players feed of the crowd and when there is no buzz about the place the players pick up on that, trust me i know. So lack of atmosphere probably is the main reason the football has been poor, maybe if the crowd did what they are meant to do and support then the team would perform better. The crowd do have to put in more effort, even before the game has started there is nothing, not a song, nothing...so you cant say that is down to bad football as the game hasn't even started yet.

The BIG difference in this scenario is that Black & Cowie will actually be coveted by other clubs. The players hold all the cards now. They just have to wait a few weeks and see what offers come there way. Certainly in the case of Black things might have been different if we'd offered him a long term contract in the summer. Too late now of course!! Nothing we can do now other than to keep our fingers crossed. If we lose both of them we are in serious trouble. Yes serious trouble, we will probably never know if the contract talks had been held earlier would it have been possible to hold onto Black, maybe not. I think most have known for a couple of seasons that black was a big player for this club and with the potential to be a great player which he has now turned into. should the club have tied to tie him up to a long term deal then, probably yes just like they are trying to do with Vigurs now. I really fear for us if we lose 1 of these players never mind the 2 of them. the club have only themselves to blame if they lose these players. when are they going to learn that they cant muck players about, they are a spl team now, so they have to start acting like one. you mentioned vigurs...they gonna have to offer him a decent deal if they want to hold onto him for any length of time, especially now it looks like they might lose blackie and cowie.

well the midfield in the current squad are the most talented with the most potential by quite a shot. for the all the other positions you could switch and mix about all day.

-------------------Esson------------------- Proctor------Duff-----Munro------McBain Cowie------Black-----Vigurs-------Imrie ------------Rooney---Barrowman-------- or -------------------Esson------------------- Proctor------Duff-----Munro------McBain Cowie------Black-----Duncan-------Vigurs ------------Rooney---Imrie--------

i wasn't sure about dougie at first, but over the last month or two he has changed my opinion about him...i wasn't sure if he was spl quality but he seems to be getting grips with it now...not sure he'll be a great player but a good one yes with more consistancy. i would agree and say he has more heart than actual ability...he's your typical traditional scottish player and there is nothing wrong with that.

yeah wel i think vigurs and wood will start but only those two out of those you mentioned.

who do you mean by youngsters?

same team that started against killie, why people want to change straight after a win baffles me. tokely could miss out though through suspension.

yeah i would be happy with that as well, but do you not think vigurs is more effective in the centre of the park?

If blackie and cowie are available this is what I would like to see. Esson Tokely Duff/Proctor Munro McBain Cowie Black Vigurs Duncan Imirie Rooney/Wood Brew please dont play that waste of space barrowman. Bring on wilson in second half as I think he is more effective coming on as a sub, but with a enough time left for him to make an impact.

Wouldn't you too have taken Barrowman in the sumemr after seeing his performances and goals to game ratio? no because the second division is a far far cry from the spl. i know a lot of players in the second division and they aren't exactly athletes. i have never rated barrowman and im being proved correct, he is nowhere near spl standard. people have to stop making excuses for this guy. he wages that i know he is on could have brought in a far more experienced and better player.

i know that barrowman gets more than 1300 a week which is a complete joke, i think that lad would struggle in the first division nevermind the spl. honestly the worse the player you are at caley the higher they seem to get paid...the club really do **** up on wages, the club clearly don't pay the players that actually deserve a wage, it's completely back to front. as for the youngers they would be better of working at tesco's. its actually embarassing the wages the players get paid compared to similar sized clubs as us. we are the lowest paying club in the spl by quite a bit.

after the signing of barrowman i dont trust any signing brew brings in.

Doesn't Bennet over see contract negotiations? It is my belief that this is a large part of his remit, he hasnt got a clue, i am also led to believe CB has asked Black if they have spoken to him or his agent, to which he has replied, NO, so what does this tell us, I cant believe this is happening, Blackie, Cowie etc will be away at Xmas or at least they will be committed to other clubs by January, due to the fact that they feel demoralised, angry, frustrated, p***** off, to the extent if i'm not wanted i'll go elsewhere, they need to look out for their families etc, many of the quotes I believe are spot on this should have been tied up long ago, or money made from them moving, personality clashes or not, the boys are doing their bit on the park what is Bennet doing, sweet F A, i too have said Brew needs to go, but it goes deeper than that, the rest have to go first, then maybe Brew would improve. Once again ICT will suffer because of the idiots at the top of the tree. yep i agree with that.

i have to agree, saying that though we might have been able to pay our better players more money if we weren't paying players like barrowman the wages he is on...its a complete joke that he is one of the top earners at the club. caley are paying the wrong players the bigger money...and i just cant help but feel its what the club deserve if they loose players because they cant afford to keep them because they're paying crap players too much. is there anyone in the management and board at caley that actually know anything about football and what talent is?

yeah i completely agree with you forresjags, brew has been shifting vigurs all over the middle of the park and it's not doing him any favours but he still is showing his class. i really hope brew gives vigurs a good run of games in the middle though because i really think he could be one of our best players given the chance. a lot of people are just happy to stick with our boring pairings(duncan and mcbain) at the moment, im sorry, but people have to wake up and realise its not working...you play your best players and vigurs and black are that. they are the two most talented along with cowie. the first two names i would put down in midfield every game would be black vigurs and then i would base the team around our two best players. I also agree with Black and Vigours but young Vigours has to be played in the middle as his strength is his vision and passing. Having seen him recently he has definately bulked up a fair bit which can only help with the physical side of his game which previously was his only weakness. yeah he's apparently spent a lot of extra time in the gym and stays behind after training.

i am same height as phil and i'm 6ft and proc is the same as well. why is everyone so concerned about who weighs the most and who the tallest is, its down to who the best is. proc is not a centre back so he shouldnt be played there, he is only put there because brew has to play the players he signed...so finds any position possible for them...why do you think proc got put straight back in against rangers after only one res game...brew isn't even subtle about this, no other player apart from imire would be put back in that fast and thats purely down to the fact that brew favours his signings over everything else whether its the right or wrong choice.

yeah i completely agree with you forresjags, brew has been shifting vigurs all over the middle of the park and it's not doing him any favours but he still is showing his class. i really hope brew gives vigurs a good run of games in the middle though because i really think he could be one of our best players given the chance. a lot of people are just happy to stick with our boring pairings(duncan and mcbain) at the moment, im sorry, but people have to wake up and realise its not working...you play your best players and vigurs and black are that. they are the two most talented along with cowie. the first two names i would put down in midfield every game would be black vigurs and then i would base the team around our two best players.

Esson Tokely Duff Munro McBain Cowie Black Duncan Vigurs Imirie Rooney i've been saying this for a while now and thats to drop Hasting as he just cant cope at this level...so brew please ******* do it. A few people think Barry Wilson should be playing but he doesn't have the legs anymore...barry is much more effective coming on as a sub. brew has to stop playing players like cowie, imirie and vigurs out of position as it completely affects their playing styles.

hope your right caleyP. me too :thumb04: can anyone tell me where i can listen to the game on the radio as i cant make the game tonight as i have to drive down the road?? cheers Heard its open all mikes on radio scotland 810mw thanks Brewnoclue

hope your right caleyP. me too can anyone tell me where i can listen to the game on the radio as i cant make the game tonight as i have to drive down the road?? cheers