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Long way off. I have said on previous threads that he is talented enough, but doesn't have the consitency. Ferguson, Hartley, Brown, Fletcher, Stewart and Arfield are all ahead of him at the moment. i still think he's a little off even being considered for a scotland call up, however, i would say Black is far ahead of Arfield...iain vigurs is already better than Arfield. As talented as I think Black is, have you seen Arfield. The boy is special. i just think Arfield is average, nothing great...just a good average scottish player. Arfield will be Scotland's most creative player within five years. Black is an excellent player, but offers virtually nothing going forward with the exception of the odd pop at goal. well i do agree with the lack of forward play from black but i think he plays a diiferent role from Arfield, but now anyway i think Black is a better player, i was at the away game to falkirk and black was controlling that midfield. as everyone will gather by now i am a maasive fan of vigurs and think he has more potential than arfield so i dont think arfield will be scotlands most creative player within five years. i seen vigurs rip apart arfield in every reserve game they played against each other. Do either Vigurs or Black have any under 21 caps? Has Alex Ferguson had Vigurs or Black watched? all im saying is when thse players have come up against each other Arfield has come up second best in my opinion. this is my opinion, i think black is better than Arfield and i think Vigurs is technically one of the best players i've seen in the spl and when he has had as much games as Arfield he'll be better. your not going to change my view. im not asking you to change yours i respect your opinion but we're just two different ppl with different views, thats all. ;) Fair doos. But arfields better :thumb04: we'll see :018:

Long way off. I have said on previous threads that he is talented enough, but doesn't have the consitency. Ferguson, Hartley, Brown, Fletcher, Stewart and Arfield are all ahead of him at the moment. i still think he's a little off even being considered for a scotland call up, however, i would say Black is far ahead of Arfield...iain vigurs is already better than Arfield. As talented as I think Black is, have you seen Arfield. The boy is special. i just think Arfield is average, nothing great...just a good average scottish player. Arfield will be Scotland's most creative player within five years. Black is an excellent player, but offers virtually nothing going forward with the exception of the odd pop at goal. well i do agree with the lack of forward play from black but i think he plays a diiferent role from Arfield, but now anyway i think Black is a better player, i was at the away game to falkirk and black was controlling that midfield. as everyone will gather by now i am a maasive fan of vigurs and think he has more potential than arfield so i dont think arfield will be scotlands most creative player within five years. i seen vigurs rip apart arfield in every reserve game they played against each other. Do either Vigurs or Black have any under 21 caps? Has Alex Ferguson had Vigurs or Black watched? all im saying is when thse players have come up against each other Arfield has come up second best in my opinion. this is my opinion, i think black is better than Arfield and i think Vigurs is technically one of the best players i've seen in the spl and when he has had as much games as Arfield he'll be better. your not going to change my view. im not asking you to change yours i respect your opinion but we're just two different ppl with different views, thats all. :thumb04:

yup keep up the good work, well done.

i agree it was a pen.

Long way off. I have said on previous threads that he is talented enough, but doesn't have the consitency. Ferguson, Hartley, Brown, Fletcher, Stewart and Arfield are all ahead of him at the moment. i still think he's a little off even being considered for a scotland call up, however, i would say Black is far ahead of Arfield...iain vigurs is already better than Arfield. As talented as I think Black is, have you seen Arfield. The boy is special. i just think Arfield is average, nothing great...just a good average scottish player. Arfield will be Scotland's most creative player within five years. Black is an excellent player, but offers virtually nothing going forward with the exception of the odd pop at goal. well i do agree with the lack of forward play from black but i think he plays a diiferent role from Arfield, but now anyway i think Black is a better player, i was at the away game to falkirk and black was controlling that midfield. as everyone will gather by now i am a maasive fan of vigurs and think he has more potential than arfield so i dont think arfield will be scotlands most creative player within five years. i seen vigurs rip apart arfield in every reserve game they played against each other.

Long way off. I have said on previous threads that he is talented enough, but doesn't have the consitency. Ferguson, Hartley, Brown, Fletcher, Stewart and Arfield are all ahead of him at the moment. i still think he's a little off even being considered for a scotland call up, however, i would say Black is far ahead of Arfield...iain vigurs is already better than Arfield. As talented as I think Black is, have you seen Arfield. The boy is special. i just think Arfield is average, nothing great...just a good average scottish player.

i hate cheating but i dont think what he did was cheating....why should defenders be allowed to fly in tackles without touching the ball because thats what was happening, anywhere else on the park then thats a free kick because its seen to be impeding the player, so why not a pen when its in the box??

After yesterdays reserve game I also feel I really need to add some comments. I was disgusted at the abuse being shouted at Rory, a grown man verbally abusing a young boy at his place of work (and not for the first time) made me feel sick. Call yourself a supporter??? Tell me how you have 'earned' your right to criticise (especially so loudly)? Do you also think you have earned the right to be abusive? I dont think so. And I dont believe you payed yesterday, so there goes the 'ive payed so I can express myself' excuse. Who needs the away fans when there's home fans like that. I had heard there was some idiot shouting abuse at Rory at the Morton game and yesterday I found out it was you! Tell me again what gives you that right? Oh yeah, was it because you have 'earned' it by being part of the supporters trust and buying a ticket? Doesnt wash im afraid. I wonder what police would say if you did the same to Rory on the street.... I dont blame Rory for lacking in confidence. If there were people abusing me like that in my place of work my confidence would go downhill too and I'm sure it would affect the quality of work I produce. If you hear it enough then you would start to believe it, especially someone as young as Rory. These players are just trying to do their job, and I doubt the loud abusive opinions of some of the people in the stands is going to make them any better at it. Its a shame these supporters cant just support. i agree, when you pay for a ticket to see a football match thats what your paying for to see a football match....where does it say on this ticket that because you have purchased this ticket is gives you the right to abuse another human. im sorry that is just pathetic and i dont care how bad someone is at something it doesnt give anyone the right to abuse them. weeStie i think you should re-think what your doing to the young lad...at the end of the day what your doing is bullying.

Long way off. I have said on previous threads that he is talented enough, but doesn't have the consitency. Ferguson, Hartley, Brown, Fletcher, Stewart and Arfield are all ahead of him at the moment. i still think he's a little off even being considered for a scotland call up, however, i would say Black is far ahead of Arfield...iain vigurs is already better than Arfield.

Definite dive by Barrowman would have been pissed off if Killie had done the same. yeah i agree a dive, however, killie can't complain they were flying these tackles in the box and thats just crazy...so if the defender goes to ground in the box and misses the ball then thats what happens. well done barrowman.

i feel tokes gets more stick than he deserves, yes he hasn't been his best but he hasn't been as bad as some of our players, when you look at our defenders they aren't exactly top quality with an abundance of ability so i think we get what we pay for with our defence. but i do feel rosscoe gets a lot more stick than reqired.

I think there's a fair amount of 'anybody can beat anybody else on their day' in the league this year. It could be argued that the standard in the SPL is lower this year apart from Gretna. Killie looks like a great result. But time will tell if Hearts, Hibs or Aberdeen are any good. Anyway we only got a good result from one of the three, and beating Falkirk may not turn out to be a fabby result either. We also lost at home to Hamilton and St Mirren. Oh i agree with you that time will tell, but the point i was trying to make is there are no easy games. im not sure the standard is lower, i'd say teams in the SPL are getting better, technique in the spl is far better than what is was a few years ago, however, you are going to get players that aren't good enough. sorry im going off topic here

there's no easy games so i dont agree. we've played hearts, hibs, aberdeen and kilmarnock(who have had 5 clean sheets so far). so how can you say that's the easiest start just because rangers or celtic aren't in that list...well rangers and celtic aren't the only strong teams in the spl...the best but not the only hard opposition we face.

blackie has turned into a fine young player, brilliant if we can keep him after this season. if we can keep him and the other players that are showing great potential then that will be fantastic.

Leaving for something better does not always guarantee success. I think the answer there is, hopefully, ICT is the place to be because he wants to be there. If we show our appreciation, instead of making things look bad all the time, it would invite Brew to stay for a long period if we are doing well. Brew will be happy with success but he has also seen the opposite. If the team and supporters show they appreciate him, this will add to his success achieved with the club. The same goes for the players too. I think some of the comments put on the forum are by people who would never be happy. If we reached the top six, they would moan if we did make Europe. If we made Europe we would have to make the final and then win it. There is always something better to want somewhere. Why not show some appreciation for what we do have and help nurture it forward. i agree with you, i guess some folk just love a moan. i think if we were to get into the top six and possibly a final or semi of a domestic cup then great...if we were to achieve this and people were still moaning then they need to lighten up.

Esson has to start in place of Fraser who is becoming a liability. If he was an outfield player he would have been dropped long ago .That apart i would go with the same team that beat Killie . i see your point with Fraser, it's ashame coz he does have the talent there but seems to show his inexperience with his decision making...that will come though. well i think blackie has been our best player but blackie isn't one for the forward pass so i have to disagree, his game is switching and short fast inter-linking passes.

haha yeah i think that's fair coz it certainly was a riffle of a ping that hit the little man. great header from black from a great ball in from vigurs. i was same debating whether to give it to black or vigurs but vigurs passing and touch was top notch, apart from those two fresh air clearences he had near the end...oops vigurs balck imirie

keep the same team as yesterday, maybe put cowie in for McBain so possibly one change. Fraser Tokely McGuire Munro Hastings Vigurs Black Duncan Cowie Imirie Barrowman

thought the team played really well after a shacky first 20min. must improve on that as better team may finish the game off with a couple of goals. anyway lots of good things to say, thought the team played as a team today and kept their structure very well. midfiled were superb, blackie and vigurs different class, vigurs vision to pass a through ball is exactly what the team needs, so must get vigs 90min match fit. imirie was brilliant as well, worked very hard plus gave a quality performance which has been missing lately but not yesterday. barrowman was ok i think he still has a long way to go, he does well holding up the ball but not very good distribution and needs to hit more shots on goal. so better from him but still not spl level as yet. overall team played well so well done to them and management. Fraser - 5/10 Tokely - 6/10 Hasting - 6/10 Munro - 6/10 McGuire - 7/10 McBain - 5/10 Vigurs - 7/10 Black - 7/10 Duncan - 6/10 Imirie - 7/10 Barrowman - 5/10

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hmmm i don't think so.....finding positions for players just to keep them in the team is crazy. if tokely is to play its in defence. i've heard of strikers becoming defenders because they are getting on a bit but not the other way round.

i can see why brew has been taking black off and thats purely so he doesn't run himself into the ground. i agree black has been our best player this year so far, but if we want that to continue we cant play black the way blackie plays every minute of every game otherwise the guy is gonna last half a season at best. you watch black play and you'll notice how much ground he covers and how hard he works...it's just not possible for someone to keep that up for 90 mins in every game...hence brew subbing him. thats the reason he gets subbed.

one thing that does annoy me about brew is his persistance in changing the system and different players almost every week. one thing that is paramount to any team is stability and consistency.

Unfortunately bush this seems to be a frequent occurrance on this forum. I think peoples frustrations get the better of them and end up pointing the finger to quickly without thinking about what they're writting...i'll do it aswel most likely, just human i guess. although i must agree with the point you made, and i quote, "You can't arbitarily blame Brewster solely as the cause of all poor performances and then credit the players for all good performances." a team does not win or lose without one anothers input.

looking forward to it, i'll be there. i think it's a good draw, the boys will have confidence from winning there already.