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Unfortunately any 14 team proposal is likely to fall on it's ass as well under the current setup that requires a 11-1 majority to action any change. No matter how promising or beneficial it might be, football politics is a petty business and at least 2 of the advocates for the 10 team league will reject everything else simply because they didn't get their own way. That's why we, as fans, need to continue with the pressure for proper fan representation...not only within our clubs, but within the administrative circles of the sports governing bodies as well.

I wouldn't say Bayne was a proficient goal scorer and it used to frustrate the hell out of me when he was played as a lone striker....however if Dundee have someone who can feed of his ability to win and hold the ball in the final third then I think he can be a real asset. (Are we allowed to refer to Dundee and Asset in the same sentence?)

In all honesty, I don't think anyone comes out of this looking good and probably best for everyone that a quick line is drawn under it and we move on.

Oh no....if they are making such a big deal over it not being pink then it surely must be PINK!!!!

I could have sworn Bulvitus had a call up for a full international when he was with ICT as well but can't find any details on it....either that or I'm getting my Latvians mixed up.

Busy Busy Busy....Jnr knows I'll get payback, he just doesn't know when or how!!!

It would be easier if it didn't keep coming up with women when you run his face through the celebrity lookalike websites!!!

Just trying to find something that won't break site rules....wondering about the collection of (his own) turd pics!!!

Nothing wrong with a bit of pre-merger banter...which is all the above is.

Call in to the shop/stadium or give them a call on 01463 227451.

Which then starts taking you into the realms of "where do you draw the line" and does selling these books end up cutting your own throat as people start thinking they'll get them and go to less games as opposed to getting a Season Ticket and attending as many games as they can make and would these people attend 10 games at full price anyway which is more income for the club. As fans we obviously want to attend games for as little as possible, and you would also like to think that "fans" would not abuse any scheme....but they do. It would be great if we lived in a world where you asked people to pay as much as they could afford and rely on them to do so honestly....but we don't. The club have to balance these offers against the possible losses from running them and whilst there's always genuine cases/need (which the club have said they will listen too), unfortunately I don't think it makes sense to have an "open to all" scheme as is being suggested....something Aberdeen have obviously realised since they are limited in who can get the 10 game voucher books.

You're pretty screwed if you're colour blind!!!

I'm going to enjoy the revenge for this one sooooo much. Time to dig out all those "not for public viewing" HM photos.

Let's just say that I am content that lessons will have been learned and if it's good for ICT then I'm willing to let bygones be bygones.

I spy a dead man walking!!!!

That's economics for you. If we were drawing the crowds they do and getting the income from other sources that they enjoy then we could probably survive by not charging anything for Season Tickets....but we don't and we can't....unfortunately.

Grant was 1 of the few who had the balls to stand up to Butcher the bully and Butcher would walk past him and totally ignore him , he hasn't spoke to Grant or Russell for over 2 Months . source? a player that has played most games this season like grant munro i highly doubt terry ignored him Why do you doubt it ? Terry ( like most managers ) has his favourites and Grant and Russell were not in with the in crowd . Butchers mind was made up when Grant was red carded against Aberdeen at the end of January . It's one thing to suggest that a player may not be among a managers list of "favourites", it's something else to make allegations that a player was bullied and/or frozen out because he didn't fall within that group. I also don't imagine for one second that any player would have been pulling on an ICT shirt if such bad blood existed between them and the manager for the length of time you claim. Not suggesting that there's no possibility of things having happened that we are unaware of, but your accusations...and lack of any supporting evidence...are ludicrous and defamatory.

I don't agree with it, but not much else could be done as Celtic had already made arrangements to play in the Dublin Cup before any confirmation had been provided about the early start to the season. This left the SPL with two options....allow only Celtic to postpone one game (and you can imagine the uproar that would have created) or try and be fair to all by giving everyone the opportunity to do the same. Unfortunately, in choosing the second option they then made a farce of it by offering a variety of dates which clubs could postpone games on (instead of making it a single weekend) and it's now looking like it could cause more problems than it solves. It's just typical SPL taking a less than ideal situation and making it worse.

[info='Postcards for Change......']Football supporters spoke loudly and clearly when 88% opposed to the move to a 10 team SPL. Fans are simply tired of their clubs playing each other four times and more each season and are rethinking the value of paying so much for repeat games. Therefore we reject the current proposal for reform of the league structure. Fans demand a new plan which addresses their concerns. A new plan that allows clubs to strive for success without risking financial armageddon. A plan that makes leagues bigger not smaller. A plan that puts the paying fan first. Without it we risk driving supporters away from our game. The Future of Scottish Football is in your hands.[/info] Supporters Direct are willing to send a message..in hard copy..on your behalf to the SPL spelling out the above. All you need do is visit - http://changingscottishfootball.wordpress.com/postcard/ - provide your name and the club you support and they will do the rest.

Typical closed season/transfer window article, and this is what I understand from it "we had a scout at the game and Rooney scored and we need a forward and the one we might be after might cost more than we thought he might so we might look to someone else who just might be Rooney who might want to move back to England...so he might"

Please note, that a vote of "Aye" to the photo is also a vote of "Aye" to banning Gringo Jnr

I accept that Neil Lennon is being pursued by bigots...but I also accept that there's other reasons why people dislike the guy and might want to pursue him. What I don't like/accept, regardless of probability, is the fact that those responsible for sending bullets/bombs and the guy who attacked him at Tynecastle are automatically branded as sectarian because of who they attacked, with little thought/question given to why they attacked and anyone who tries to put forward other possible reasons being branded as bad as the perpetrators because they are somehow giving legitimacy to the acts by simply asking "why?". Most people seem to agree that there's other reasons why Lennon is disliked, and until we know otherwise, any one of these could be the reason for the above mentioned acts. If man can be driven to pursue such acts for reasons of religion, he can just as easily be driven by other things. Which all comes back to my point about needing to understand the reasons for these attacks.

Your perceptions are wrong. Justification and reason are not inseparable and my stance throughout has been to argue that it is possible to seek reason without legitimising the actions or giving them justification. Without knowing the reasons, how can we seek to stem the problem...any problem, or prevent it happening again? Me, not so much respect, but that's down to personal experience of being shafted by it twice in twelve months....but that's another story I do respect the principles of the Scottish Judicial system though, and that system is suppose to allow someone trial without prejudice. The fact that just about everyone in the media, the Scottish First Minister, Football Authorities and a large portion of society have already prejudged these crimes as being acts of sectarianism goes against the underlying principles of that system. None that I am aware of, which makes it even more important that we seek reasons as to why Lennon (and others involved) have been the target of these letter bombs/bullets and attacks. Well, this is a football forum and this is a discussion which was been based around the goings on in football. We could discuss ad infinitum about how the problems exists in all walks of life (and I don't deny that it does) but it would just be the same discussion and you could as easily take this one and change football to just about any other activity and have the same points being made under another banner. You seem to be dodging my point though....if we accept "There is no room for opinion on this issue" then how do we discuss and deal with the it? How does Wee Jimmy break the chain if we tell him he's not allowed an opinion? What alternative moral compass does he then have to follow other than that of his parents/peers who will be impressing their opinion on him and telling him nobody elses opinion counts? Who sets the rules and decides the boundaries between right and wrong, acceptable and unacceptable if nobody is allowed an opinion? Bigotry is a complete intolerance of any creed, belief or opinion that differs from your own. You can't fight bigotry with bigotry....if what's going on in football had taught us anything, I would have thought that would have been the main thing.

"Tolerance" is an interesting one CD and viewed by many, myself included, as a major contributor to the problem. For too long society has been tolerant of people who pop in for a "Chinky" or grab some fags from the "Pakis". Excuses are made for these terms, and many others, even justification. They are unacceptable and should not be tolerated but are by many who when challenged respond seek logical explanation in the same way you are doing in this discussion.. On this occasion I think your views are intolerable. A man of your intelligence should and does no better. Decent people searching for reason is viewed as reason by the lynch mob. There is no room for opinion on this issue. It's simple. PS. Apologise about the Hearts bit. You are right and I was getting you mixed up with The Knowledge. But without an understanding of the reason, how do you deal with the issue? I have never, and likely will never, accept any argument on any subject which takes the standpoint of "because it just is" or "because I said so". Your suggestion that my questioning of a situation or the reasons behind a situation somehow gives legitimacy to the perpetrators of these crimes is quite astonishing. Do courts not seek to understand cause/reason during a trial? Are they too giving legitimacy to the perpetrators of crime? Should we get rid of them and go back to trial by society? Would doing that not just bring us full circle and back to a situation where people take the law into their own hands and seek to deal justice, in whatever perverted manner and for whatever misguided reasons, they see fit? Is that not exactly what those who have sent bombs/bullets and attack Lennon have done? Your statement that "there is no room for opinion" is hypocritical in the extreme and is precisely why we have the problem that we do. Wee Jimmy going along to the football with his dad "Dad, why do we sing these songs"..."We just do, Jimmy"..."But Dad, they don't seem very nice"..."It's not open for discussion, just sing"

Silly lads who probably didn't really have any idea what they were on about or had some misguided idea that it would be "fun" sing/chant such things in order to wind up the opposition. Whilst that doesn't excuse it, and probably highlights much of the problem across the whole of the game, I think you need to temper your comments with the fact that it was a very small minority, the rest of the fans immediately condemned it, someone had a word and we've not seen a repeat of it.