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Such a football cliché that fans seem to lap up. Bollox, there is nothing to do with luck, just as in life its about creating opportunities, working hard or efficiently in the right way and having a determination to succeed and get to a level of personal satisfaction - wherever that may be. People who whine about being unlucky use it as an excuse because they are unsatisfied with their position and don't want to admit it. For the last 2 seasons we have had managers who made excuses of being unlucky with refereeing decisions, unlucky with injuries, unlucky with results - citing when things a tough everything goes against you with fans and players believing it - no wonder there is a negative attitude around the club if people think the position we are in is due to bad luck - its really due to significant failings from management & players. Those who think questioning of the manager position is unfair - we have 1 win from 9 games and conceded 16 goals, that's a quarter of the season already gone. We failed to get out a League cup group that in reality had no 'big' team and while we are still progressing through the Challenge Cup its hardly impressive. The question has to be asked for how long does the club persist and is the prospect of relegation or a relegation play-off acceptable because that's the form we are showing? If there is a tremendous turn around and we storm up the table to fight for promotion, I will admit my error but so far there's no signs we are capable of this.

Sadly Rig is probably correct, there's debts to service and given some of the abject performances but extended contracts awarded in summer we may need to pay off some players too in order to free up some salary budget for 'upgrades'.

I can't belive there are fans on here apportioning some of the blame for the current situation and lack of quality performance on the fans because they dare to show displeasure at the fare put on show that they pay for as entertainment. As posted previously if fans feel their peers are partaking in abusive behaviour of any kind raise it with the stewards and get it addressed properlproperly as the club has a zero tolerance policy on this so needs exercised not just go on the Internet and moan about it.

Really? You seem to be not just judgemental about every forum user on here but highly condescending. If you honestly think a club and team struggling as badly as we are should be out in jollies while taking the money hard earned by fans you're a bigger fool than the posts you put up even suggest. In most employments if you fail to meet KPIs then you're employer doesn't give an afternoon off for games and play - can't say the performance of the coaches or players are in line with expectations either in or out of the club. It's quite clear from your comments on several issues that you have a biased view based on a connection to the club or players, perhaps it's time to take the blinkers off and see exactly how badly the whole regime is letting the fans down.

Sounds like a productive use of time. Sadly spending time working on tactics, fitness and positioning etc would be a much greater use of time. Most of the fans work a minimum of a 40 hour week, I've never understood this approach at football where training is a few hours running around in a morning. Surely the rest of the day can be spent working on tactics, formations, study of the opposition - even if the players aren't able to learn much from it, there is at least the illusion that they are trying to do so. Perhaps its the British approach to football and the attitude of coaches and players that should be looked when failings around sides occur rather than blaming climate, genetics and any other scapegoat that deflects from the institutions themselves.

Fans are entitled to an opinion and while you may think venting boo's is uncalled for its nothing more than pantomime - the players and club cant expect to be cheered and revered and not take some backlash when things go badly. I think we all agree than personal abuse is not acceptable, but if its felt that strongly either reprimand the individual or report it to the stewards - that's what they get paid for and we have a club policy against such behaviour. One day the stadium is full of sweetie rustlers with no noise, the next its booming with choruses of abuse - maybe there's a successful middle ground that will please all. Perhaps the players and those around the club need to realise that football is an entertainment business and the fans pay the wages, if the entertainment isn't there then people will vote with their feet - so unfortunately if the negativity from fans is dragging the players down they need to rise above it and turn it around otherwise they won't have a job. Many fans have jobs they may not like or enjoy at times but they have still invested significant money into season tickets and are now committed whether linking what is seen or not. Based on the league we are in the fans paid top ST money but are seeing performances which don't match - leading to the frustration, the 'feel good' wont come back until there's performances that improve.

Anyone who wont give us a pumping..................so home tie V's Raith to maybe stand a chance

Agreed, best not to highlight it further but being all over social media and whether the referee reports it, there may well be retrospective action from the SFA - surely this must constitute violent conduct?

On current form, the Irn Bru cup is hardly a big draw anyway but considering its not covered by season tickets there's not that many fans looking at it as a reason to put hands into pockets and pay for entry, travel and refreshments for a game which on paper should be a comfortable win against a much lower league side. I'm sure if performances improve and the atmosphere both on and off the park improves then games for subsequent rounds against Championship or overseas clubs will raise numbers. Really dont think the attendance on Sat is really a good benchmark to judge if fans are starting to stay away in increased numbers, but I do agree that unless something changes to give the place a lift or spark it could be a long, lonely winter in the stadium.

So you disagree that Kellacher was assaulted - plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise? If someone calls you names then physical violence from your statement is acceptable? This isn't primary school, this is real world - you cant just go and take out retaliatory actions just because someone has wronged you. Also are you suggesting that the coaching staff are not employees? #troll

Currently he looks like the victim of an assault, therefore if anyone is going it'll be Polly. While his credentials are questionable and its been discussed before his presence during failed regiemes he was also part of successful ones too. Doubt he will be going anywhere.

While abuse (personal) is not acceptable, general discord should be accepted, as fans we pay our money afterall. While its not great watching your team get beat if its when the team show heart, desire and effort but are just outplayed then that can be accepted but sadly for many games this season we have looked awful and quite a few players have the body language and attitude of not giving a f***. Fans are angry and had about enough, we've felt like the board lied to us over the summer, there are so many questionable decisions around the club and we now have a series of managers who feel public slating of players is acceptable including calling some (Ridgers) basically incompetent..........no wonder some fans think its ok to do the same. Unfortunately we can all write whatever we want and vent on here but the only way to express our views direct to the club are those 90mins on a Sat - while some (and I've heard the same abuse both home and away at our current and former players) seem to go overboard its a culmination of the frustration everywhere, it is a minority and there are still many who support and back the team - now we see it boiling over onto the pitch too.

While a serious incident lets not let it become the sole point of focus and distraction from the current predicament and performances. Again on Sat we were awful, there's a clear lack of harmony and unity and its still the case that even against much lower league opposition (although we won) that our players cant and haven't got the capability to show their perceived level - no disrespect to PH but we should have bosses the game and shown our superior quality instead the score line flatters and makes it look like we are Championship quality - when clearly we are not.

Good player and played a key role in our successful cup team but not sure he is 'legend' status. Be a shame to see a player of his experience and caliber leave but he's picked up a few injuries in his time and the more I see him recently while better than some of the jobbers we have, its clear he is loosing some of his pace and is a player on the descent unfortunately. Freeing up his wage is a positive but sadly I feel it will be wasted and we wont bring in anyone even near as good if at all.

Problem is that comparing the current team against the team from history which entered the League system isn't fair as the current squad will be getting paid more and therefore are and should be competing at a higher level. Whether or not this on paper is the best or worst team is subjective - however it can be argued that historically to have an international keeper (OFW) and players of the calibre we have seen from Raven, Tremarco, Warren, Vigurs (on occasion), Doran (if fit) would have always been welcomed additions to any ICT team at any level. What we have is some of those players starting to wane as they get older or recover from numerous injuries - perhaps the best of Warren & Raven is in the past - we have others who aren't being helped by the mediocrity around them - OFW has a poorly performing defence infront of him and there is little quality and support across the park for players like Vigurs or Polly - who I consider both being poor this year. However the biggest issue is the recruitment which has come in - would many of them stake a claim in any ICT team at any level - possibly Trafford but many look out of their depth. The question has to be is this the most uncompetitive ICT team at any level since entering the League system - the answer to that is yes, are they the worst - possibly not with the least ability but certainly the least fight, heart, desire and capability to perform at the level expected. Not sure anyone thought we'd storm the league but we certainly had expected the team to be able to compete with those around the play-off positions, unfortunately we are but at the wrong end.

Probably will be getting paid a lot more sitting at home on gardening leave than Elgin would offer, so on that basis doubt he would even consider it.

Expect them all to be released in the summer then, just like most of the youth players over the last years

May as well just be whores like every other club and call it based on whoever pays the most - at first when Arsenal or Man City called their grounds the Emirates or Ethiad they had an ok ring to it, but once you start with the Tony Macaroni or the Superseat and the like - it becomes a bit of a joke and clubs start to look silly IMO. But its part of the modern game so we best embrace it before we get left behind. Main options obviously is Wethers Original ...........

Which seem to be Recruitment has been poor with many substandard players - he should have known that some like Ridgers, Cooper, Calder, Chalmers, Baird have had chances at this level and higher before and failed miserably Tactically he seems incapable of working his best formation to get the best out of his squad/team Cant motivate the team or get them united - seems to have alienated some of the established members like Raven, OFW which probably has helped loose the dressing room as the players clearly don't 'play' for him Questions over his training methods and player fitness with many not being able to last a full 90mins - and its not down to us playing high intensity football either Public criticism and handling of players - telling OFW to leave and that he wasn't part of the plans, then drop Ridgers after 10 games calling him not good enough to only U-turn on OFW. Its a mess how the man management & public interaction has been We are almost quarter of the season gone - some of these should be resolved by now, but we seem to be getting worse. Those with alternative views are entitled to have them, but the facts are that one the blinkers are taken off and the historic ICT love fest for Robbo removed, he has so far been as dross as some of his signings.

and now Marley Watkins in the Wales squad

Maybe better changing the thread title to 'how many games until 8 points'.............................

Kingsmills, I think there is a danger you're coming across as an obsessive with an anti-Hughes agenda, while its clear from the various posts you have an 'issue' with him and clearly prefer ICT to have 'ICT people' in charge to give no credit to the guy based on his achievements not just with us but other clubs too regardless of who recruited the teams does seem rather imbalanced. To suggest he was the primary problem with everything wrong at our club is mis-guided afterall someone at the club gave him the job.

The Hughes drum has been banged to death from both sides and is somewhat tiresome. We should look back favourably at his tenure of what he achieved on the park - regardless of how the finances are played out afterall the board gave him the money to spend and if that was more or less than others he achieved the maximum he could with what he had. Perhaps he did ask too much looking for additional investment but his role was to take the team as high as possible and achieve whatever he could and if he felt keeping key players and bringing more in then that was his job - its for the board (rightly or wrongly to say yes or no). The real failing as has been for years is the board and the people of Inverness - the board failed time and time again to capitalise on our success and bring in more footfall, the people of Inverness have failed in supporting their local team and choosing only to show face at finals or OF games. But now the board since the JH tenure are dragging us backwards, they failed to deal with the management issues that were created by first block JH moving, then failed to support him financially knowing his ambitions. They picked cheap options and bad recruitment at player and management level, allowed lies to be pedalled about players and now the total disarray both on and off-field is driving the remaining fans away. Be under no illusions the board are firmly to blame for where we are and the sooner there is full transparency and statements of intent & structured plans for moving forwards, not just false promised like the Muirfield Mills money etc then we wont get this club back on track. No fans = no money = constant plummeting through the leagues.

So what's in store, we've changed formations and players, blamed some, dumped some out, taken them back. Who knows what formation of team sheet to expect - does it even matter? Wouldn't be surprised if the Foran selection tombola is brought out for this. With all the negative coverage and dismal results perhaps the players will step up? Ever the optimist I'm going to try be positive and opt for a narrow 2-1 defeat...........

Alex Smith in temporary charge. Yogi apparently interviewed. Looks like Falkirk are as bad as us for living and looking in the past.