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I'm not sure Bell lost anything, but he worked hard with unfortunately not enough end product. He may be young but as often the case at the club this is a guy brought in and given more game time than our own youngsters without really showing he is a whole lot better. If suggestions are correct and he is looking for a pay increase, it could be argued he lost his place in the team and wasn't integral in the team heading upwards - if anything after the failure of promotion or at least play-off places the players should really be facing reality and accept they failed to deliver what was required. If he feels he is worth more money and wants to move on then he's not irreplaceable and hopefully the club can look within to give a younger players a chance.

Well in that case Robbo should know better about how it works and its not just that simple - as to get rid of Warren he will have to pay him off with part or all of what he would be due for the remainder of his contract then pay for a.n. other player - therefore in real terms any replacement will actually cost more this season so not acually cost cutting at all!!!!

Correct and like any other business if you sign a contract and wish to break those terms you have to agree compensation otherwise expect the other party to take you to court otherwise suck it up and see the terms through. Going public and trying to put across bad press about the other party is not only a dangerous game, but also will probably do more damage to your reputation than the party you attack.

Ryan Christie played last night for Scotland in the friendly against Mexico- got a full first 45 mins.

Which is the point being made that by already going public they will just look like a bunch of fools and even worse when they back track and start asking him to play. Unfortunately like the OFW situation we will have fans turn on him for not just walking away from his contracted job and entitled monies as they have been convinced the player is not needed and there through greed bringing the club to it's knees and stopping it progressing. Those facts are down to the board miss management though and not the playing individuals.

5 - That's the standard approach now when we need to offload a player that's no longer desired. It was done last year with Draper to an extent as well.

As said before if the club want him to go then pay off his contract to terminate it and not try force him out via the press and turn fans against him. Evolving the squad is not the problem it's how we conduct our business with guys who have been professional throughout.

If that's the case then while not expected it's certainly honourable considering the position of the club financially and given it seems these unsustainable contracts in place with some current players and debts owed to ex-staff which are on going and of that regiemes own making. Facts and figures on this should be more transparent and better communicated.

Not suggesting anyone feels 'sorry' for OFW or Foran or any others. But the club were only too happy to offer these guys the contracts they did - why should these guys now be berated for seeing out their contracts? These guys are not 'staff' as such at the club like regular employees in corporations - they are given a contract for X wks/months/years with specific terms and conditions most including penalties if they break these but also include the right of the club to sell these assets on the market. If the player has to abide and see the T&C's of the contract out so should the club - in both the cases mentioned if the club do want rid then pay up the cash to an agreeable amount between both parties - otherwise find a way to utilise the assets in an effective manner and stop trying to 'force' players (OFW/Raven/Draper/Warren) out the door in the manner they have. When we have a scenario where the player wants to leave - such as Tansey and the club block this or cant negotiate a deal we blame the player and say its their fault not wanting be at the club. When the club decide to get rid of a player we say its the player that's greedy not walking away. Whether this or the previous regime neither board seem to be covering themselves in glory with the way business is conducted. If that's the case, then pay out his contract and release him - don't go to the media trying to force him. If he can get regular football for the same or better money I'm sure he will go but if he cant then he has every right to sit out the next 12 months and take every penny his contract allows.

He is well within his rights to sit and see out his contract which is legally binding and was agreed by the club. He has no obligation to look for another club or walk away. This is going to be another embarrassment same as Raven last season who was cast out then brought back and OFW who was in and out like the hokey-cokey. For a club that is known to struggle with recruitment of established players or those experienced from elsewhere in Scotland doing such business in public will not go un-noticed. Refresh is acceptable, as is removing 'deadwoood' and under-achievers but it all has to be done the right way. If the club want GW out then pay off his contract or reach a settlement mutually agreeable, otherwise have the discussions behind closed doors and keep it that way - with those who are brave enough to make these calls need to be aware that if GW stays they need to get back to the table and maximise what he can bring to the club in whatever capacity can be accommodated and agreed.

In addition to none of them probably favouring a return. Certainly not Draper due to how he was moved on last summer.

The fact he left our club for Aberdeen with a hernia issue and needed surgery is a big part of his issue. Not the only player in recent years to need rehab at other clubs - perhaps we never saw his best consistently as he was never fully fit and we played patched up players.

Agree with that to an extent. Also I think Storey would do well at Championship level but surprised PT let him go. Never really got a fair go at the dons then was in and out of that struggling PT side - wouldn't be a shock to see him head back South as I only think teams outside the top tier in Scotland would give him a chance much like Fisher who seems in a similar situation.

But significant enhancement of the bank accounts. Footballers play for money mainly now and not the lure of trophies or loyalty.

All this has the same taste as last season with Raven and OFW - find a club and go or walk.away from the contract the club had committed to. If he doesn't go will frozen out or brought back in? Gary is a professional and I'm sure will give his all but I expect that like OFW if he refuses to walk and is unwanted he will come under criticism. As a club we seem to be paying unwanted members of staff a lot of money these days.

Don't forget Draper - his exit wasn't exactly a sweet parting either

The anonymity of this system is somewhat frustrating - seems that there is a common theme of negative responding on here to any posts which criticise player performance/contribution, the management team or the board. I'd be keen to see transparency behind who is disagreeing with statements and why they feel criticism as part of healthy discussion is not welcomed - right now they don't seem to structure coherent replies and hide behind red dotting!!!! Whether these are individuals who know more (especially about finances & the board) hence the disagreement or just petulant and consistent negative feedback campaigns on certain members who dare to question the status quo and those who run the club we put our hard earned money into.

Might not be quite so congratulatory if Storey gets some games and finds his shooting boots at this level giving PT the 20 goal a season striker every team wants

With a lower budget and more even and competitive teams than even last season there's no doubt its going to be tough. Wonder what the club strategy will ne next season if we fail to get promotion, if there is one as I'd expect more cut backs. The resounding mess last summer and not have our house in order may well come back to haunt us.

God knows why you've been given a red dot for that.

Mulraney has over the last 2 years unfortunately failed to improve, when the Premiership may have been to high a level he hasn't lit up the Championship either. Blistering pace but lack of final product lets him down. Might be a coup for Hearts if they can introduce technical skills and worth the gamble at their level - pace isn't something you can teach but technique is, its whether he has the temperament to learn it. From what we've seen the money may be better used elsewhere. Vigurs has patchy form but over the tail end of the season did show that he is an asset, but if the decision comes down to money then we cant compete with RC and as an individual he has to do his best for his family. He's not a player that cant be replaced and I think given time Trafford may be the man who steps into those shoes. The biggest loss this summer (so far) but we should still be able to progress over last season. Those citing Polly to leave then its not a huge loss. He's had a significant number of games over the years and at times looks lost on the park. While capable of lighting up games it doesn't happen often enough, perhaps we need to find him a position that suits him. I'm not sure he's a central mid as he doesn't track back so its whether he would be better further forwards as a number 10 but then does that suit our formation. We have given him much more game time than any other youngsters over the last 5 years and I'm not sure he is delivering on the early promise - he needs to step up more and show his real ability otherwise he will end up spending much of his career jobbing along like many Scottish players in the Championship.

They can invest however they want, if that's what Roy wants to do, I'm sure if we had done the same last year nobody would have been complaining. They will undoubtedly have a clear out of some players and try bring new faces in - the nucleus of their squad no matter what some may think should be strong enough to get play-offs at least - just as our should have been this season

You've been on here long enough to know its the ICT fan way - never see the issues at present, never want to look forwards and only to reminisce with rose tinted specs craving for former players/managers/board members to return us to the glory days................ We've signed a few young players from other clubs who have experience at Championship level or higher along with tying some of the existing squad on longer deals - with the added youth then there really isn't a lot of more additions likely or needed. With the departure of Vigurs a strong midfield enforcing player would be great, but we have Trafford who deserves a chance. Probably need another experienced CD as I'm not sure we will get a full season out of Warren. Other than that its adding the right strength and depth rather than just throwing names around now - up front a 20 goal striker would be great but doubt we can afford one, we already have Austin & Oakley so perhaps theres already one in the squad!!!

Much like a large proportion of our support who like to live in denial and chastise anyone who is critical or the clubs financial structuring and the board that steer it.

Doesn't help when he left with injuries like several other ICT players, makes you wonder how patched they were playing for us at times and maybe some of our demise was not having a squad of fully fit guys. With our record of collecting injuries and players such as Foran, Doran, Fisher, Tansey, Meekings, Mckay all needing treatment either at the club long term of ops and rehabilitation on leaving, there must be a link back to our medical/backroom team or training methods. For Tansey, he needs a run of games in a team when he is fit to get back to his best.