vinnie87

-------------Esson------------- Tokely--Proctor--Munro--Golly Hayes--Duncan--Cox--Foran --------Rooney--Imrie------- Okay i understand putting Proctor in at centre back is a scary thought but i think he's better than bulvitis in there and means we don't lose the attacking threat from Tokely's runs.

I want Butcher to go but not just as a reaction to this game. Yeah this is part of it but just look at our whole season it has been very poor considering where the board and management were saying they wanted to be at the start of the season. Letting so many players go last season then signing some absolutely terrible players who are now nowhere to be seen. He just isn't good enough. If things aren't going well he just looks to Foran to win a few headers. I understand that we have no right to win this league or even to beat anyone in it but while playing here I would at least like to be entertained and on the whole Butcher is failing in every aspect. A couple of good results against very poor teams seems to have pulled the wool over people's eyes. Against decent opposition Butcher doesn't seem to have much of a clue.

How some people can say we deserved to win is ridiculous. Fair enough we made a few chances towards the end but they were bound to come as county seemed to sit in for most of the second half and we had to push for the equaliser. County had a few chances in the second half as well. The game is about scoring not creating chances. Our defending was absolutely woeful. There was very little movement from the midfield forward. We didn't create any space for ourselves and were therefore crowded out most of the first half. County were by far the better team. We need a player capable of controlling the game from the middle of the park(and one that wont get brushed off the ball so easily like Sanchez). And Butcher has to take the blame along with the players. His tactics didn't work and he didn't have a plan B well apart from the continuous long balls. I'm sorry a couple of good wins against very poor opposition doesn't mean the team has improved that much. When we come up against better opposition, like today, we just aren't good enough. And Butcher must take the blame for that. His players his tactics. Just not good enough from anyone. At least he was showing some anger at the end, kicking and breaking a sign on one of the gates beside the dugout.

The first half was a truly shocking display. County were first to every ball. The second was slightly better but we had to push on. Three extremely poor performances in derby games is not acceptable. Okay we won one but it was still a dire game. Sanchez just aint strong enough when he doesn't have space to play and Bulvitis was awful. Hayes made a slight impact when he came on. Can't complain about the defeat. Butcher has had long enough now.

I have to agree. I was prepared to give him time and it seemed with recent results we had turned the corner but it turns out we can only play against the poorer teams in the league. As soon as we come up against a decent team our only tactic is to play long balls. He can even see his signings haven't been good enough. He has to go now but i doubt we can afford it.

Foran hat-trick!!!

get in!

maybe (from midfield forward) - ---------proctor-----duncan foran-------sanchez--------imrie -------------rooney--------------- I really don't know though.

not sure how we are going to line up but certainly is an attacking starting 11.

---------------Esson-------------- Tokely--Bulvitis--Munro--Golabek Proctor--Cox--McBain--Imrie -------Rooney--Foran--------- Give Rooney a start and see if he can put one of his chances away. He certainly seems to get more than anyone else.

For me Rooney is on a bad run of luck just now. He consistently gets himself into good shooting positions which is far more than you can say about the rest of our strikers. I think if starts a game or two he'll start putting these chances away. I doubt Rooney and Foran could play together so I don't know if his chance will come anytime soon. I agree with the substitution yesterday I think it cost us the game. At the time Foran was causing their defence a few problems and was getting the crowd going closing down everything. As for moving a striker on it'll Barowman before Rooney as he's disappeared after starting against Partick a few weeks back.

Esson Tokely Bulvitis Munro Golabek Duncan Cox McBain Imrie Hayes Foran

He was a mile better than Sanchez yesterday. Currently I would play him with Foran because Sanchez doesn't bother his arse.

If your poll was anything to do with "we should have kept Brewster", which you seem to be saying then it is without a doubt abusive to the club and its supporters.

I think Rooney could be decent poacher. Before anyone says it I know he missed a couple of good chances on Saturday but every striker has there off days. I thought his hold up and link up play on Saturday was far better than I have seen from him before. And remember you have to be in the right place at the right time to get these chances he missed. He's still young and compared to Barrowman he's world class. If he gets a decent chance in the team, even from the bench, I think he could get a decent goals total this season. I couldn't believe some of the people around me on Saturday, getting on at him for being slow when a long ball was hit miles away from him, it seems he can do no right in some peoples eyes just now. He should have scored on Saturday but you could probably say that about every striker in the league a few times a season. The only problem is that I really don't see him and Foran as a partnership. I think the best bet is to have him on the bench and through him on if we are needing a goal because to me he's bound to get himself a chance.

Foran Barrowman/Sanchez/Odhiambo Rooney Sutherland Foran is obviously first choice but I think it will be between three who partners him. I would prefer to see Odhiambo or Sanchez partner Foran but Barrowman seems to be liked by Butcher. I thought Rooney put in a decent showing yesterday(apart from his finishing). He showed a lot more around the park than he has previously. I can see Sutherland going out on loan if Barrowman or Odhiambo are fit before the transfer window shuts.

Butcher did think he was good enough but a fee was going to have to be paid for him which is money we didn't have considering we got relegated. So stop slagging the manager for something when it aint true.

This is bad news yes but it's a sign of the times. We survived without a proper shop before and will again. We are in the first division so there was always going to be cost cutting. And with now what looks like a big squad for a first division club surely it is better to have no shop and a squad that has different options throughout and a better chance of winning the title than a shop and a smaller squad? The shop was always dead during the week, when I was ever there anyway. Being busy for an hour every second Saturday aint going to cover the costs for the two midweeks in between. Before anyone says anything about Mike Smith and that his wages could cover the cost, I have never met him or know a lot about what he does at the club so cannot make that judgment. Surely the long term future of the club as a whole and the team on the park is more important than the short term future of the shop. If this money saved goes towards winning the league then I'm sure there will be a shop next year.

what a load of rubbish. Proctor has developed well under butcher into decent right back or right mid but not a holding midfielder, not yet anyway. Before butcher arrived he had no positional sense, even though he had been mainly playing down the right for most of his career. If he was to become a holding midfielder it would take a lot of work before he could even match russell duncan. I'm sorry i just don't see it, maybe if we get about 3/4 injuries in midfield but only then should it be considered.

None from Rankin last season anyway.

I thought proctor was starting to look a lot better going forward towards the end of the season. We have signed Cox who is being referred to as a midfielder by most of the papers.

looks like he is staying unless someone comes in with a decent offer for him.

no he was one of brewsters deadline day signings along with proctor in the summer transfer window when brew came back. He actually did a job when he came in as we had just lost 6 on the bounce and our defence was desperately missing dods but since those first few games I don't think he has shown much.

Smith has already left on a free. Fraser was the only keeper to report for pre-season training.

He refused to take a pay cut so was let go.