Champions League Draw:

a - Bayern munich, Juventus, Bordeaux, Maccabi Haifa

b - Manchester United, CSKA Moscow, Besiktas, Wolfsburg

c - AC Milan, Real Madrid, Marseille, FC Zurich

d - Chelsea, FC Porto Atletico Madrid, Apoel

e - Liverpool, Lyon, Fiorentina, Debreceni

f - Barcelona, Inter Milan, Dynamo Kyiv, Rubin Kazan

g - Sevilla, Rangers, Stuttgart, Unirea Uzicene

h - Arsenal, AZ Alkmaar Olympiakos, Standard Liege

I had a quick look at Wikipedia to find out who the hell Unirea Uriziceni are and found this:

They are about to get humped by the Sons Of William! ftp

I like to support all Scottish clubs in Europe but these ***** make it difficult.

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Is it just my imagination or are there more mediocre teams than usual? Arsenal could field their reserves and still win all their group games.

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Is it just my imagination or are there more mediocre teams than usual? Arsenal could field their reserves and still win all their group games.

Yes there does some to be much more mediocre teams apart from wolfsburg and standard leige, I dont recognise any of them and i think we could be getting some extremely high score one-sided games

Barca v Inter & AC Milan v Real Madrid

Are the only games that stand out which will be really good

I support every other scottish team in europe bar Rankgers cant stand them. Mon Man utd got a decent group

Is it just my imagination or are there more mediocre teams than usual? Arsenal could field their reserves and still win all their group games.

It's the result of an extremely convoluted attempt to expand the number of countries who have representatives at the group stage, brought to you by those great champions of the weak and impoverished - Michel Platini and David Taylor.

UEFA changes

10 teams qualify through a double qualification path: one reserved for the champions of the associations ranked 13 to 53 - except Liechtenstein - (5 teams qualify) and one reserved for non-champions of associations ranked 1 to 15 (5 teams qualify).

Edited August 27, 200916 yr by Caley Stan

Barca v Inter & AC Milan v Real Madrid

Are the only games that stand out which will be really good

Barca v Inter will be excellent given the transfers between the two this summer.

Milan v Madrid will be rubbish. I expect Madrid to destroy Milan.