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IHE says feck aff ya dickheed.

What Charlie is trying to say is that the BBC, as in other seasons, will have a programme dominated by the OF and interspersed with a few words about the other ten teams in the SPL and possibly one or two from the other leagues and every once in a while there will also be live commentary from an ICT match. Though even that will have a lot of reference to the aforementioned OF.

Read my post again I did not call all ICT fans cretins i referred to the ones that drink far too much, cause bother and get ejected from the various stadiums around Scotland as cretins Maybe you should get the Mrs to explain other peoples posts like she does on all other football matters before you even think replying in future Oh and what irony IHE accusing me of being an Orc when in fact he is the biggest Septic on this site Just for the record I despise both sides of the Old firm equally dougal So, what you are saying Dougal is that, persons who suffer from congenital hypothyroidism (cretinism) drink too much, cause bother and get ejected from various stadiums. My wife, who supports persons with learning difficulties, takes serious offence at those unjust and unfounded comparisons. Thats not what i'm saying and you know it Alex On hindsight I shouldnt have used the word cretin without really knowing what the term meant so I apologise and I'll delete my posts Sorry dougal

If mine is one of the posts you're referring to here then, with hindsight and the benefit of a night's sleep, you're correct that it was too much of a knee-jerk reaction, born I suppose of disappointment at the result and performance. You're wide of the mark in your comments about 'bitching' and 'waiting for an opportunity to stick the knife in (again)' in my case at least, but I do agree with you and Alex that it would be pointless to keep referring to the loss of Duncan and Munro, as we need to move on. However, in trying to put together some sort of match report for this first game, I do think it's going to be necessary to weigh up what we have lost - with reference to all the departed players - against what we appear to have gained on first impressions of the new players. Briefly, as I will need to develop this in more detail later anyway, what concerned me most yesterday was that we appear to have lost a few players who are capable of reading the game and anticipating opponents' moves. Duncan, Munro and Rooney were all particularly strong in this area and thus tended to be in the right place at the right time more often than not. This is why I'd always preferred Duncan to Cox as deep-lying cover for the back four, although I suspect that once he has recovered, this is where Cox will be played. I thought Aldred, despite his undoubted strengths, looked a little prone to be pulled out of position - he reminded me a little of Bulvitis in this respect. Tade, too, didn't always seem sure of where he should be - there was no doubt about his hard work and the amount of running he did, but it did look a little aimless at times. Hopefully, however, this was down to over-enthusiasm and as the team gels and the new players settle into the SPL, their abilities to read the game will emerge and they will hold position better - it was, as several people have correctly pointed out, just the first game of a long season. Tansey, incidentally, looks an excellent signing - with his vision and range of passing he might be a replacement for Ian Black, a player we have missed badly IMHO. My comments weren't aimed at any one person. My "knee-jerk" observation was just that...we all do it and that's par for the course when following football. In the past people got these things out of their system in the pub or whatever and by the time they reached a computer they had calmed a little and had others opinions to reflect on before making "public" comment. With the internet being so readily available and taking over from pub talk then these conversations now happen online for more often...something people need to bare in mind also before getting "upset" about forum talk/chat. With regards my comment on bitching about Munro and Duncan...I was waiting for it and had said to people that it would happen, I could probably have even written a list of those who would have been first in there. Of course people are going to want to "compare and contrast" and I like that kind of conversation. We've had many players over the years who have set benchmarks for what we, as fans, expect from their replacements. Robson, Wilson, Wyness, Mann (to name but 4)...and now Munro. All names that come up regularly in an "are they as good as these guys" type discussion. I see no problem with that and in a sense it honours the contribution these guys have made over they years. What doesn't honour these guys is when they are used as nothing more than a beating stick when having a go at the club/manager just because a person disagrees with something.

Och well, since MFR have been promoting their coverage in another thread, I might as well balance this up and, equally shamelessly, also give a brief summary of what the BBC has to offer. :biggrin: BBC Scotland sports programming on Saturdays runs from 12 noon until 7pm and will normally include:- * Live commentary from Caley Thistle games home and away, plus progress reports on other Scottish games on 92-95FM across the Highlands and Islands and sometimes also on AM or FM across Scotland. * Live commentary also online. Availability outside the UK is, as always, subject to contractual conditions. * Open All Mics covering all SPL matches and some from the lower leagues on 103.5-105FM. * TV updates and full time report on BBC 1 Scotland from 4:30pm. * Your Call and Sports Report end on to Sportsound. Outwith the Saturday football envelope:- * Sportscene SPL highlights. * Online SPL highlights. * Commentary on non-Saturday games online and, where frequency arrangements allow, live on air as well.

i've heard john terry is quite good at sticking it in the box.

Dont really give out many green dots but that is as close to what I was going to log as it gets although I also agree with Caley D's points as well. As I alluded to in the Englandshire threads we have a relatively young, talented, pacy, football playing but inexperienced squad who play pretty patterns with no visible goal threat - but I was concerned about how they would adapt to the hurly burly and experience of the SPL and worried that losses early doors would have an effect on the general confidence. We played a similar system to yesterday at Aldershot where I felt that the midfield was disjointed and we wasted the talents of Ross, Foran and Hayes. At Aldershot our midfield played as four individuals and did not appear to understand each others roles. I have to admit that I was confuesd as well as players also appeared to switch roles as well. For the first time in seasons we had little width or drive down the wings, our full backs were left deserted on many occasions and the central defenders, although solid, were susceptible to balls played down the middle becos of the space they left between each other. It was to my utter dismay that Terry and Mo followed the same tactics yesterday and Hislop describes what is deja - vu to me. Put it like this - me and feckin Dewsbury Dude could have double teamed and squeezed through the chasm between Aldred and Tokely at times - where was Hayes playing ? - and it wasnt really a diamond in midfield, it was a parralel feckin line - a bit of the when they get the ball lets get two lines of four behind the ball - fair enough but arent you suppose to watch the wings and the feckin holes down the centre at the same time. Tade works his socks off and may well come on to a game if he gets a few goals behind him but - I ahd to rub my eyes at times, especially in the second half and the strike on the run - as I was sure that it was feckin Lionel smiling back at me !! Did we miss Grant Munro ? - well no. Aldred is as good if not potentially better all round. Did we miss Russell Duncan - well no. He wouldnt have had the legs. But we did miss a leader on the park - somebody sitting in the hole in front of the centre backs and somebody bawling at the others. Foran needs to drop back if he can have that type of influence. But - hey - lets not take it away from them - Muversmell are a good team and play the ball around well and do look like scoring when they attack. They had width and two attackers who are more in the old fashioned predatory style. Their first goal was beautiful football and the third was a screamer. We will not play many better outfits this season so lets hope that big lessons were learned. Many at the game appeared to be taken aback at my positivity and I still think that we can turn it around but mid table safety is all I am now looking fer this season. If the Tansy free kick had gone in or he had taken the half chance moments later then PERHAPS the confidence boost would have changed things - but sorry playing the same system and we would have ended up getting beat anyway. So I would stick with the team - apart from poor Proctor, who's confidence looks shattered. Put him on the bench as he covers a variety of positions. We have two winnable games coming up - against a poor Hibs outfit, in disarray and never good travellers and then Dumbfarmlife, who will be difficult to beat at home. If we get 4 points out of that then I will be happy and it will give the players and the fans a much needed confidence boost. So in may ways it is over to Terry and Mo. I know it is a bit armchair managerish but surely they can see that the system aint working and needs to be adjusted. My only fear is that their professional pride leads to them persisiting. And can anybody remember a certain opening day at Livingstone ?

If mine is one of the posts you're referring to here then, with hindsight and the benefit of a night's sleep, you're correct that it was too much of a knee-jerk reaction, born I suppose of disappointment at the result and performance. You're wide of the mark in your comments about 'bitching' and 'waiting for an opportunity to stick the knife in (again)' in my case at least, but I do agree with you and Alex that it would be pointless to keep referring to the loss of Duncan and Munro, as we need to move on. However, in trying to put together some sort of match report for this first game, I do think it's going to be necessary to weigh up what we have lost - with reference to all the departed players - against what we appear to have gained on first impressions of the new players. Briefly, as I will need to develop this in more detail later anyway, what concerned me most yesterday was that we appear to have lost a few players who are capable of reading the game and anticipating opponents' moves. Duncan, Munro and Rooney were all particularly strong in this area and thus tended to be in the right place at the right time more often than not. This is why I'd always preferred Duncan to Cox as deep-lying cover for the back four, although I suspect that once he has recovered, this is where Cox will be played. I thought Aldred, despite his undoubted strengths, looked a little prone to be pulled out of position - he reminded me a little of Bulvitis in this respect. Tade, too, didn't always seem sure of where he should be - there was no doubt about his hard work and the amount of running he did, but it did look a little aimless at times. Hopefully, however, this was down to over-enthusiasm and as the team gels and the new players settle into the SPL, their abilities to read the game will emerge and they will hold position better - it was, as several people have correctly pointed out, just the first game of a long season. Tansey, incidentally, looks an excellent signing - with his vision and range of passing he might be a replacement for Ian Black, a player we have missed badly IMHO.

Ach, yer better off reading the CTO Previews and Reports

Russell Duncan and Grant Munro spring to mind - soory - that is another thread. AMEN

I agree, the reports from people who saw him play the other night sound favourable, understandably it was against HL competition but by the sounds of it he likes to get stuck in and has a good range of passing. With our current lack of options at RB i can see Terry signing him up

C'mon everyone, Proc has his uses, bullet header against Celtic and, and well he must have something, after all he is a utility player so give the guy a break............Thomas, maybe he is great, maybe not, I'll wait a bit to make my judgement.