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looking at first and last pics .... From Muirtown Basin .... to plastic Basin !!!

Lets be honest, we could fill Hampden three or four times over this weekend and pubs and clubs all over the country (and to a lesser extent the rest of the world) will be jammed to the rafters with "loyal Scotland supporters" .... and most of them will tell you they stuck with Scotland through thick and thin, even in the Berti years ..... and the majority of them are talking out of their erse !!! There are those who are telling the truth and if they havent got tickets then thats a shame but much like joining the supporters club of your club side to make sure you get priority tickets, there are ways to ensure you get priority tickets for Scotland games too .... methods that people didnt bother about during the Berti era as tickets then were about as rare as a stewarding complaint at the TCS. If these folks didnt join the SC or the travel club then thats their lookout, no-one else's If you have a ticket for Hampden, whether its your first or 100th game - well done, its gonna be some game. I went to almost every game at Hampden from about 84-87 but then work took over and I havent been since but I would love to be there for this one. I will however be there in spirit (or should that be spirits) as it is being shown over here live on normal TV. Its being shown on an Italian channel so chances are the commentary will be in Italian but that wont matter ... especially if I head for Scallywags and watch it with other "Canadian" Scotland fans like I did for the first France game ... that was some day, a 3 storey pub with England 0-0 Macedonia showing on the ground floor (and costing the fans $20 to watch as it was PPV), Scotland 1-0 France showing on the second floor for free as it was on regular TV and Ireland losing to Cyprus on the third floor .... The place was absolutely hoaching and the Scotland fans were wearing an array of Scotland and/or club colours ..... we were the smallest group (only about 50 of us) but we **** near lifted the roof off the place when the goal was scored and again when the final whistle blew ........ more of the same please :003:

Tokely is an ICT "legend" and quite rightly so given his loyalty, the number of appearances he has made, and his hard but (for the most part) fair challenges over the years. He has made "errors of judgement" before - I am sure many of us could list them, starting with the game in Ayr a few years ago - but to deliberately punch an opponent on the side of the head in an off the ball incident is inexcusable and deserves punishment. There's no need for a witch hunt, I am sure Rosscoe knew almost instantly that what he did was wrong, given the comments in the press, I am sure his fellow team-mates also let him know how they felt in no uncertain terms, and given the manager's comment about dealing with it internally, I am sure he has got tingles in certain parts of his anatomy as we speak. The biggest punishment for him will be losing his place in the side to David Proctor, a player that Brewster seems to rate very highly and who, it has to be said, despite DUFC fans opinions didnt let US down when he played for us before. I have a feeling that Proctor will come in and do well while Ross is suspended and I would be surprised if the SPL doesnt slap an extra few games on top of the automatic ban which may mean Proctor has a chance to establish himself in the side the same way as Dods did .... Ross' problem may then be getting back into the side at all .........

nothing in life is ever that simple. 100% "don't know"

not available outside UK ..... :007:

woohooo ...... The game is on "normal" tv this weekend here in lumberjack land :001: :001: :001: :001: For those on this side of the pond, the channel is TLN (http://www.tlntv.com/soccer.aspx) but I am pretty sure that the commentary will be in Italian.

Have I missed something. see match report on front page for text of comments given to the Scotsman after the game.

As a player, when the ref is giving everything against you and you know it then you dont bump your gums to him at every chance as its not gonna do any good ... you need to think "**** you, I will show you" and then proceed to take it out on the opposition by scoring goals he cant disallow or call back for a foul. If you lose the head or try to intimidate him then there's only going to be one winner and thats the guy with the cards ! In this situation, the red mist can easily descend as it did on Saturday but these guys are supposed to be professionals and should be able to focus on the job in hand and let that red mist pass. By all means get fired up but focus in on the game not on trying to clock one of the opposition or pointlessly arguing with officials. For Bayne to continue in the same fashion that already got him booked was stupid, for Roy to get booked for going ape**** at the linesman and then tempt fate by continuing afterwards was stupid, for Rossco to do what he did (I havent seen it but am relying on the comments by users who have) was absolutely ludicrous and deserving of internal punishment. However, as the manager in a game like this then CB also needs to give himself a shake. Bayne is getting it big style from the ref and the manager in his after-match interview pretty much said that he thought he would be sent off if he continued to play the same way .... no **** sherlock !!! So why take off Black and not Bayne? Black was probably the one player with the potential to control the midfield battle that the manager conceded in the same interview that we had well and truly lost. That is crazy. Bayne should have been replaced at half-time with Niculae and maybe, just maybe the outcome might have been different ! Thats not an excuse for Tokely's behaviour but a scenario to say it might never have happened had the manager got it right in the first place !

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Is it ? I have been present at games where I have stood and applauded them off the park after a glorious victory OR defeat ... I did it because they tried their best. However, I have been present at many games over the years where they didnt appear to try at all for whatever reason and that is infuriating. Although I wasnt present, Saturday appeared to be one of those games I may have been a little harsh given the result on Saturday but I had a bad feeling about this game ever since I read an article about ICT "aiming high" and the fact that the Well defence was small in height and hadnt had a clean sheet since the opening day of the season ..... i thought, "oh ****, route one hoofball" ..... and that is what it was. Much has been made of the lift the players seemed to get when CB came back but on Saturday it was back to the heads going down and worse still a big breakdown in discipline by more than just one player. Tokely will get the brunt because he got sent off, but he was not the only one guilty of a lack of discipline in that game. As hinted at in other threads something appears to be wrong internally and whatever it is, it needs to be sorted out before it tears our club apart. I dont know the details of what it might be or whether it is players, management, coaches or other figures at the club but from rumblings I have heard there is indeed strife like never before seen and it is doing nothing to keep the players motivated !

Radio commentators said something similar - when 2nd goal went in they talked about frustration and anger and said it might be more productive if that was directed at playing motherwell off the park than at the officials. They also thought Roy McBain was extremely lucky to stay on the park when he had his go at the linesman, got booked, then went back to have another go !!!

How do TFC achieve such a loud and excitable support? by following items 1 & 2 ..... 1. The team arent that good at the moment but most of them bust a gut to try and win each game so you cant fault people who give 100% 2. The club actively encourage the noise, store the banners for people and even liaise with the noisy supporters groups There is a third reason and we will see if that dwindles as years go by (not next year though - 99% renewal rate on season tickets) ..... Despite opinions to the contrary, Toronto IS a "soccer city" as there are tens of thousands of immigrants of european, asian, african, or south american origin whose favoured sport is football and also thousands of canadian supporters who have played the game growing up in school (by far the most popular school sport). These people have all been starved of seeing any decent football for years ... TFC's first game this season was like a big sigh of relief !

if we were playing next week I would have said "duh" ... considering Bayne will be suspended ... but as we havent got a game next week I will be a pedant and say you mean the 24th ?

1. Put a team on the park that at least appears to be trying 2. Encourage the fans to make noise rather than harass them when they do !

Brewster made two substitutions before the 79th minute

IIRC, you can only appeal violent behaviour cards and Bayne's was a red for "second bookable offence" and Tokely's was displayed on the online sites as "Professional Foul" for the tackle from behind so on that basis the answer would be no .... After listening to Brewster, sounds like given the choice, he would appeal Bayne's but not Tokely's

The interview with CB (now available on the match report on front page of site) is interesting to listen to to say the least ..... He can barely keep his anger (especially about the ref) under control, seems to be struggling to find the right words and absolutely blasts Tokely and has a go at Barry for their roles in today's debacle.

Chris Boyle, see FRONT PAGE LINK !!! wonder if he is any relation to John Boyle

I complain most weeks that I cant listen to games .... today I wish I couldnt. We sound like s***, no ideas, no clues, no heart, no passion (other than arguing with every decision). wonder if Brew will make a substitution or two to try and get back into this

more likely a casualty of the U21 rule ! McDonald, Vigurs, Kerr there because of the U21 rule Wilson, Niculae and Rankin the 'real subs' Malkowski there because we have to name a keeper A lot of talk about Rankin recently so he probably took Proctor's place ......

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A lot of people would probably do it for free, myself included if I were around. However, I think you may have missed my point .... The point is that the club routinely seem to think they can snap their fingers and no matter how much disdain they treat people with they will still come running .... That is partly true but the number of people who are like that dwindles each time the club pull this stunt and they need to start rebuilding their relationship with fans who would be more than willing to walk over broken glass for them if they actually looked like they gave a f*** !!!

feckin pedant :symbol_exclaim01: - **** site more accurate than the description that said "near the railway station". Thats like those hotels that advertise as being a "stone's throw" from the beach ....... and when you get there its only a stones throw if your using a rocket propelled catapult !

not sure why the :symbol_exclaim01: was used ... think most of us would agree that Dods is worthy even though he did leave us .... just look at our defence now !

nahh, just someone else with the same name ...... The Graham brothers were well known Rugby players in my school days ..... and incidentally, I believe there was also a connection to ICT through another relative .......