IMMORTAL HOWDEN ENDER

I can answer one of the questions for stevico, **CLICK** not exactly a secret. I can't believe you are having to spell this out IHE your posts have been transparent for months, surely I am not the only one who noticed? But then again, your wind ups...... when to take you seriously...... I guess it might take people a while to believe you. So why would Robbo want to work with Sutherland and his "mob" unless it was a coalition / takeover. And did you ever think that Brew changed allegiances ? Just look at how he played Marius in the latter games ? Especially at Falkirk.

Simple the club owe marius the money, and yes the club can quote me on that, but it is in the hands of fifa, robbo is employed by orion ,last question ask him? Well the answer to the last question is "yes" and one of the main reasons why the protection racket returned. Lets face it - Robbo has NO chance of coming back now - Its been blown. And my uncle - one of my best ever wind ups - is George Fraser - Geordie Fraser - a 73 year old ex crane driver who lives in a cottage in Brodie wiv ma Auntie Anne - a man with principles who wouldnt become a puppet at any price. :D :thumb04: :018: ;) :015:

Stevico - answer the questions honestly - who owes Marius the money ? Who is Robbo employed by ? Did Savage want to get rid of Brew and Bennett ?

thanks, but perhaps those that know me will know thats not my intentions, but maybe as you are highly connected you know better You cant play for both sides but you can have a foot in both camps - you are possibly fortunate to have a double edge to yer anger - I was shouting about Brew when Savage was in charge and you were protecting him - enuff said. The truth about Marius should be public knowledge as it has a bearing. IHE what truth do you want about marius ? and when did I ever protect brew? You also may wish to consult your uncle ? Is Marius still owed any money ? Why are FIFA still involved ? Who is ultimately responsible for witholding the money ? Why is his solicitor now decrying ICT business wise ? Has Marius still got links with Orion ? What is Robbo's job - who is he employed by ? Who are you employed by ? Did Savage really want to get rid of Brew and Bennett ? Did Sutherland coming back surprise Savage ? You refused to criticise Brew - albeit subtly - evidently due to your position - but now you are to the fore - and pro Robbo and anti Board. You have been OTT in your criticism but I admire how you have surreptitiously wound up the natives. Leave my Uncle George out of this ? Never kid a kidder and do not underestimate me. Yip I agree - I promise that this is my last - but some of the questions / statements on here are coche - if only the answers were. Buckett - I may be am ersehole and a wind up merchant but enuff is enuff - the fans are unaware of the BIG picture. This is OUR club at stake.

thanks, but perhaps those that know me will know thats not my intentions, but maybe as you are highly connected you know better You cant play for both sides but you can have a foot in both camps - you are possibly fortunate to have a double edge to yer anger - I was shouting about Brew when Savage was in charge and you were protecting him - enuff said. The truth about Marius should be public knowledge as it has a bearing.

Never thought I would say this but my desire fer ICT is waning - not fer the club, not fer the shirt - but I feel completely betrayed by peeple like Sutherland and Grasser - who I thought really had the club at heart - but THEY are totally fecking us up with their stand behind Brew. Brewster simply has to go - or the club will go down and possibly down again and possibly die - no sarcasm - I truly fear that. Why are we protecting an individual who is clearly "lost" - it has to be a power thing. I actually have little respect for Savage and Orion either and the championing of Robbo, and the efforts of Stevico to fuel the fire, are business centred and selfish. I really dont give a **** about the politics - I really do give a **** about ICT. So I am going to Fir Park and to the Huns game - cos I am going to sing against Brew and for ICT from the kick off to the final whistle - lets use fan power and get the **** out. We are all pawns in a power struggle.

There is something I though I would never read! ;) O2B :thumb04: :018: Hairy - I echo what has been said before - I quite liked Brew the first time around as he brought fitness to the club and we were running around at 100 mph and always looked a threat away from home. As a player I would rate him as the BEST I have seen at the club. I have always backed up my argument with tactical criticism - I have rarely seen such naievity and ineptitude. It was clear to me from the off that he was only ever going to take us down.

Yip - Brew is a gonner as long as Sutherland pays off Marius (finally ) and Orion cough up fer Brewster - and then JR will be wrapped up fer Crimbo and Fir Park - and IamInsider returns !!

Is this a sequel to the Lets stuff Aberdeen; St mirren; Dundee United and Cellic threads ?

Well done David, at last we see it in the press. Maybe we'll see some action from the board now. Which game is he talking about ?

I will now resume ma away support - especially in view of this weeks pending development.

I have never been the same since Mike Smiff immorally ejected me against the Pars. :018:

PLEASE READ CAREFULLY AND CONSIDER Many times we see lot of people leaving their jobs because they found the work place politics affecting their life. Internal politics involving the people at work place are some times bad and avoidable. These politics not only affect the normal working of job, but also may some time cause people to quit their jobs. This results in lose of human resource of a company. To get the good people for working in the organization is a difficult task. However by ignoring the internal politics at work place can cost the companies dearly. People usually want to be remaining in group; they do not like others to enter their group. This tendency sometimes made lot of subgroups in the office. For every group the agenda of their group is more important than what is required. They try to promote the people in their group more over the others. They sometimes also try to let down the people of other group. This creates inter group rivalries. One group try to hinder the work of other group, in this they even forget the goals of organization. Group rivalries are most common and can be seen in big offices where lot of people work. These group politics are one of reason for collapse of work due to the non corporation and are of great cause of low performance. Second politics is seen in individual basis. Many people try to be smart and play with the emotions of other. They are not associated to any other, still they are in all group. They pretend to be the friends of many, but actually they are with nobody. There main purpose is to achieve own results. They create misunderstanding between the people. They remove their enemy by creating a bad image for them in others eye. They never fight their enemies directly, but provoke others to take revenge for them. They try to make their enemy alone by creating misunderstanding with his friends. They make the person alone and then become friend of it. Now they know the secret about him and upon feasible time use them against him. In this way they are able to remove their enemy without fighting him directly. These kinds of politics are most dangerous and to know that some one is doing it against us is a difficult task. This kind of politics is main reason behind the many, who leave their jobs? So we should be alert of politics on the work place and try to avoid indulging in them. Indulging in them may unnecessary cause use lot of difficulties and simultaneously should aware about the others politics about us.

simple solution you have to move back then Scotty Thats what Spock said.

This is my 3rd attempt at posting this as my other 2 replies have got lost in cyber space somewhere. Don, you are absolutely right, we are far from idle at the moment and we do need to communicate that which we will just as soon as possible. Meantime we are still doing membership renewals, mailing a newletter to members, preparing papers for our AGM (22nd Jan), organising youth groups for the games as well as all the normal 'family' things required of us at this time of year. My point to Clacher was that it was a bit unreasonable for 'The Trust' Board (we are just a group of fans ourselves) to have formed an opinion about the Evidence Gathering Team without having had a chance to even look into their remit. I have never heard of them before and all I know about them is what I have read on here. I am of the opinion that this can wait until our scheduled meetings at the beginning of the year. If anyone feels otherwise then we can try to look into it sooner but given the time of year that might not be so easy. We are due to meet as a board and with the football club early January, so we will have more information then. Meantime Merry Christmas to you all. ALERT - Listen carefully - The Trust are caught in the middle - You are all lovely peeple and with the heart of the club at the fore - but you have landed yerselves in a feckin mine field - the supporters are being starved of responses from the club - they think that you have the power to get the responses - and the desired responses at that - you aint got a hope in hell as the club are feeding you with hogwash. How many meetings have you been at in the last two years when statements have been made and the reality is a lot different. There is a HUGE internal political battle going on at the moment - lets just have fun watching and pick things up in the gory aftermath. Something is wrong - and has been the day CC was set up. :thumb04:

Totally agree, all the board members are businessmen, would any of them let a manager stay in they're own business if that manager was, losing customers, affecting the morale of those he was managing and in danger of taking their business down the tubes. No I dont think so, once again I ask the question why are they letting this happen to ICT Riddle me dee - :018: ;) Is it becos they are afraid of other businessmen or a fresh broom discovering what eejit businessmen they have been in 2008. And Brew knows all about it - shurely the loyal Brew wouldnt grass. :thumb04: Go - Orion - Go (Replace Remember the Alamo with Remember Marius) - Can I have a job ?

How about this IHE quote dated 23/03/2008 CONCLUSION: Brewster has lost the dressing room and the fans - He should show some humility and resign - followed closely by Savage and Orion - followed closely by Smith - and Grasser, the ever loyal servant, should change his role before even he loses any semblance of creedence - and then we should let Sutherland rebuild - although he is more instrumental in the building of the system than he is letting on. Problem is IHE only Savage did as you requested, I think Brew will go soon rather than later but I dont expect any of the others to follow **** me - and here I was thinking that Robbo was a sheep in wolves clothing.

Perspective time .... The CC that had lost at home to Rangers, and lost 2-1 away to Well and St Mirren before resigning. He may have had us at the bottom but 3 games is not enough time to extrapolate a season long prediction. He did ok the previous season and there was no reason to imagine he wouldnt have done ok if he had continued. Having said that ... agree with you 100% about Owen Coyle. I personally never thought CC was ready for the managers job, and he frequently showed that. I can still remember being turned over at home by the Dunfermline team that were eventually relegated. Its a shame, as in the long term I saw CC as potentially an excellent manager, but he was thrown in at the deep end, and is now never likely to return to caoching. CC was pushed into taking the job due to a concern that we would continue to pick up young managers and lose them within a short period of time - that was the dumbnut rationale around that !!

The stress of Xmas and the decline of TCS has plunged me into a hypermanic state where words of prophecy are hitting me at a rate of knots - (or is it all the phone calls - never knew so many players had ma number ) - Let me share my flight of ideas with you. Brew goes with the Xmas "going on mutual grounds" crap - paid off by Orion :o - Savage gets back on Board (literally) :o - Sutherland publically supports - Robbo and Shearer take the wheel - Bazza is given a coaching position - Grasser bows out gracefully - subtly blames fan power. SEE YOU ALL AT FIR PARK - at "The resurrection".

How about this IHE quote dated 23/03/2008 CONCLUSION: Brewster has lost the dressing room and the fans - He should show some humility and resign - followed closely by Savage and Orion - followed closely by Smith - and Grasser, the ever loyal servant, should change his role before even he loses any semblance of creedence - and then we should let Sutherland rebuild - although he is more instrumental in the building of the system than he is letting on.

To all the peeple who said I was stirring it and bringing the club into disrepute with my constant criticism of Brew, Malky and Bennett - SINCE LAST SEASON. I FECKIN TOLD YA

To all the peeple who said I was stirring it and bringing the club into disrepute with my constant criticism of Brew, Malky and Bennett - SINCE LAST SEASON. I FECKIN TOLD YA

To all the peeple who said I was stirring it and bringing the club into disrepute with my constant criticism of Brew, Malky and Bennett - SINCE LAST SEASON. I FECKIN TOLD YA

Who only comes once a year - Santa or Johnboy ? Have a look at ma very old signature mate.

Words fail me - all of this has been evident fer months.