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Oh...with regards the Mexican Wave...anything that generates a bit of crowd participation and helps boost the atmosphere can't be a bad thing, even if they are a bit 80's :001:

I find the whole "standing" thing quite humorous at times. We have this misconception that the clubs themselves are all in favour of a return to terracing and/or allowing standing....yet these very same people are the ones who voted it in to begin with. As each member club is what makes up the voting committee of the SPL, then protesting at club level is as effective as lobbying the SPL direct as they are one in the same people. From memory, Alan Savage said something about approaching other clubs with a view to getting some support for allowing standing when he arrived as Chairman...but as with many things, it seems to have been quickly forgotten and nothing more has ever been said on it.

I believe he did miss some training as a result of a knock/niggle sustained in the match v Killie.

:024: Your spot on, there are double standards...those that you think should be applied to Footballers and those you think should be applied to everyone else...or have I simply misunderstood you :017: If Hart now finds himself in a "near-impossible position" then it is one of his own making. Had he come straight out with a proper apology after pleading guilty then you may have still had a few who would have doubted whether he meant it or not, but the longer he leaves it the worse it gets. I for one grow less and less likely to believe he is in any way remorseful the longer he leaves it and I'm sure I'm not alone in that. I don't really care if he is sorry or not, so long as he can give the club assurances that he will not put himself in this position again then that's fine by me....whether it's fine by the club is their decision. Nobody's holding a gun to your head and forcing you to reply :016:

***RANT ALERT*** He can't win??? Why the feck should he be looking to "Win" anything? Am I living in some kind of parallel universe whereby the guilty get treated as victims all of a sudden? Your right about one thing...it is now a no-win situation, and every day that passes whereby no proper decision is made, either by Hart to make a proper apology, or by the club on whether he is allowed to stay or must go just makes the whole thing worse. It's not like this happened out of the blue. The club were aware of the situation 4 months ago. They should have planned for whatever the outcome and the decision should have been an instant one. About the only thing I agreed with in Broadfoots article was his view about the club closing their eyes and hoping it will go away. It seems to be how they try and deal with everything until it gets to the point where they force themselves in to having to make snap decisions. Likewise, Hart knew exactly the position he was going to find himself in. If he's been living in denial for the last 4 months then more the fool him. If I was in his shoes you can be sure that I would be going out of my way to let everyone know that I had made a mistake and I was sorry for it, regardless of the circumstances that led to it. As for the mindset that footballers should be treated any different that anyone else....what a crock of chit. The majority of professional footballers in this country lead very privileged lives as it is. To suggest they should be further privileged by placing them above the law and above the same rules that govern many other professions is pure nonsense. I'm not looking for the guy to be crucified or punished beyond what anyone else could/would expect. What I am against though is this constant need for people to just keep piling on layer after layer after layer of BS. If he's sorry then let him come out and say it himself....it may help his case, it may not. If he's not sorry then he should not be forced into saying he is. If he's not interested in attending drug awareness seminars or whatever, then he should not be forced in to doing that either....but again, he has to accept that if he takes that stance then it may impact on the clubs decision....rightly or wrongly. The things that bother me...... 1. The lies that came from him following the events at Rock Ness which had many people believing it was all just a misunderstanding. 2. His pleading not guilty after being caught red handed and stringing it out for 4 months. 3. His attitude from the HN article which made it look like the only thing he was sorry about was getting caught. 4. The fact he hasn't had the balls to appear in court for so much as 1 minute during all this in order to face the music. His original plea was by letter and his subsequent plea was via his solicitor.....yet there's a statement from his solicitor saying how hard it was for him to face the courts!!! 5. The clubs stalling tactics on having to make a decision and what appears to have been a rushed press statement which gives them little room to maneuver in terms of keeping him at the club. 6. Those who deny in one sentence that youngsters look up to footballers and in the very next sentence say he should be sent out to schools to act as an example of the rehabilitated drug user....can't have it both ways!!! 7. Those who generally want to turn the whole thing in to a circus. 8. Those who see Hart as some kind of victim in all this. 9. Those who use the "he's no worse than so and so" line in an attempt to justify his actions. Lets just get rid of all this fecking about and skirting around the issue. ICT....grow a spine and make a decision one way or the other - lets move the whole thing along so we can put it behind us and get back to football...at least until the next drama!!!

Up to people to sort out their own tickets. It can be problematic enough organising the minibus without adding the risk of buying tickets and people not turning up.

Nice Tattoo Broomie. How long after it was done was the picture taken?

I think it would have made a huge difference if they had done the full chest Saltire in a contrasting colour.

Manny - I like the horizontal stripes But I think people prefer the vertical Yes I know, too much time on my hands

Hart should not be forced to do anything. The opportunities have been there all along for him to enroll in such a course and I'm certain their will have been no shortage of media hounds around only to willing to print his apology if he saw fit to make one. That's what bugs me about situations such as this - if they were remorseful and sorry then the individuals would take it upon themselves to do these things and not be forced to go through the motions simply because their jobs depended on it. By demanding someone makes an apology, regardless of whether they are sorry or not, makes it meaningless. He had his opportunity when he spoke "exclusively" to the Highland News, but instead chose to concentrate on how hard done by he was by having to plead guilty to something he was caught doing red handed. When I was growing up we were taught that an apology should actually mean something, and just because you apologised didn't mean you weren't punished....if you were lucky it might mean your punishment was reduced, and that was about it. Broadfoot is a plum and I can't believe so many are buying in to the article. Nowhere in the entire page does it place responsibility for events at the feet of Hart in any way shape or form. It is just an endless list of nonsense excuses aimed at deflecting responsibility anywhere and everywhere apart from at the person ultimately responsible. Granted their is a larger issue in society regarding it's mindset towards drugs, in fact, the problem lies in the mindset towards drink in comparison to drugs, but that is not the subject in question right here. Just because society takes a more lenient view on drinking should not automatically conclude that they should take the same appraoch involving drugs. And if we were going down the route of arguing that point then I would be more for increasing punishments for drinking than decreasing punishments for drugs....although as is often the case, the answer probably lies somewhere in between.

Don't do it....look what happened with the ICT v Killie match...you'll just jinx it :029:

Let me save you some time Alex.... I bite and ask what's illegal in what I said.... You'll tell me that doing all those things would be driving without due care and attention.... I'll counter argue that the acts themselves are not illegal but could be construed as dangerous depending on the circumstances and views of any police who witness it.... We'll eventually have to agree to disagree. :001:

Nothing wrong with automatic cars...it's the automatic drivers :016: Bus drivers were covered on the "Things that bug you" thread, where I was happy to admit that they don't exactly drive with courtesy. As for the recruitment thing....you'll take anything when your desperate :015:

Anyone who does not have the coordination to pass a Manual driving test should not be allowed behind the wheel of a car. If they don't have the wherewithal to take a hand off the steering wheel to change gear, then they don't have the wherewithal to do the same to tune the radio, adjust the heating, apply lipstick, rummage in handbags, scratch their testicles, hold a coffee cup or drinks can, eat anything...or in general partake in any activity where they have to remove a hand from the wheel. And if you can't do any of that safely then you shouldn't be on the road.

I don't think anyone agreed that the club should not make special provisions for the singing section at all. What you will find is that as the club seem **** bent on doing whatever they can to break up these lads, that a workaround has been suggested.

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Just wanted to make sure I had them 100% accurate :001: Like the "absorbed" reference :015:

Tree - which Dell did you get? I'll be ordering a new PC very soon and I've been hard pushed to find better than what they are offering. The machine I am looking at is the Inspiron 531 with the following spec.... AMD? Athlon? 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ 256MB nVidia? GeForce 8600GT graphics card 3072MB 667MHz Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM 1.0TB (7200RPM) SATA Dual Hard Drives (2X500GB) Integrated 7.1 Channel High Definition Audio Dell? 22" Black Wide Flat Panel ?840 All-in & Delivered. I'll likely add a couple of other things to the system myself as Dell bolt-ons are generally overpriced. Although I did note that Dell have just caught up on the current drop in price for Memory which has about halved since the last time I priced it. Their pricing for additional memory is now on a par with Crucial (who I normally use).

I kicked off the consultation with Tribe Tattoo this week on my ICT inspired ink-job. Have to say that even though the process is taking place via e.mail and phone that they have been extremely helpful. Just waiting on some drawings now to see how they have interpreted my explanation and if it matches the image in my head!!! I probably sound like a big kid, but it's quite exciting to have finally got the ball rolling.

Opinion will always be split....that's the nature of the beast when it comes to talking about any football player. It would be a very boring world if everyone agreed on everything all the time.

Ok, I'm trying to clear up some confusion as to the exact (recognised) founding dates for Caledonian FC and Inverness Thistle FC. I seem to have 2 dates for Caley...1885 and 1886. I noticed the gates at Telford Park had 1886 so I'm guessing this would be the "recognised" date? Haven't look so much in to Thistle, but from what I have seen it would seem the date for them was 1885. The only confusion seems to be that some sources quote them as being 110 years old at the time of the merger which would place the founding date as 1884. Help!!!!

I see where your coming from, but it is the thought of such consequences which act as the deterrent. Remove the deterrent and people start to run amok. You just have to look at the problems society faces just now when dealing with kids due to the deterrent of a good boot up the erse having been removed to see the kind of problems the kid gloves approach to punishment can cause.

And on that logicv...nobody should ever be sacked from their jobs ever again :029: Someone asked further back about whether he was tested at the time...it would seem that when your caught in possession it's not standard practice to issue a test unless your behaviour is also being called in to question (i.e. driving, being disorderly etc), so it is extremely unlikely Hart would have been submitted to a test at the time.

Think I may have referred to him as the messiah at one point when winding IHE up, but I'll happily admit that he's not the Messiah, he's just a very naughty boy.

Could never understand the "consumption" thing. Surely if you test positive then you are in possession, otherwise how could they find positive traces!!! Possession is not proof of consumption, but surely consumption is proof of possession!!!