STFU

If he's allowed to be

Give a person a fire and they're warm for a few hours. Set a person on fire and they're warm for the rest of her life.

Who do you think owns the club?

With the amount of news we put out it could be printed on a sheet of A5, but would be nothing other than irritating club statements.

"With the, yet again, growing injury situation, then a vet may be what ICTFC need. After all, it's cheaper to put players down than pay for their treatment." said Shane Sutherland* *May be a made up quote

Even by CTO standards, this is a bizarre thread For the avoidance of all doubt, I support the removal of the club CEO known as Scot Gardiner, Scot, Gardiner, and a few other choice words, but never, until now, referred to as Scotty

You can't sack a board, but the board are the only people who can sack a CEO.

No. What I'm saying is, they can't have it both ways.

I want to, once again, feel like I am a part of the club and that the contribution fans make is valued and directed towards improving the overall experience. That experience is not just results, it includes matchday, fan engagement (particularly with younger fans), and something which we can take pride in. I don't have the time to give to, or faith in, the Supporters Trust. Sadly they exhibit many of the things we see in the club. An anonymous leader who only seems happy to put their name/face to the successes (the survey results), a lack of connect with the fanbase, the poor us "we're only a small team trying hard" excuse given whenever challenged, etc. When you look back to people like David Sutherland, Peter Murphy and Don Johnstone, you always felt like they were working to improve things, be that initiatives with the club or calling them out on shortcomings. They were visible, available and engaging. Strange, or maybe not, that you no longer see or hear from them?! I get what you say about boycotting businesses, but I feel it's the only option left to me. My hope? That if the club won't listen to fans, then they might start listening if/when other income streams start drying up. The club's actions already mean fewer eyes on ad boards and strips, so no fans, no value to businesses in paying for these things. Include the failed concert shambles and the reputational damage caused there, and even the most resolute of optimists can surely see that the threat to corporate support already exists, I'm just being more direct in the (small) hope that someone who can change things realises before it's too late. There are already people on the board propping up the club financially. I don't believe lack of resource is the issue, it's the misuse of that resource that finds us where we are. Just think of how much more could be filtered towards the team and improving infrastructure if we weren't paying for a CEO, a Sporting Director, a Video Analyst, a Sports Scientist and what appears to be 2 assistant team managers who are moving the club backwards on and off the park. We have a bigger senior staff contingent now than we had when at our most successful, and are now at our worst in nigh on 20 years. The Youth setup, I believe, is now a separate entity from the club and does not draw any financial resource from it. The same goes for our Community section. The club can take little/no credit for that these days (other than use if the name), but they do, and lack of transparency on how it all works allows that to happen. It's not as if all of this just started happening. As others have said, the decline has been 7/8 years in the making. This is not a knee jerk reaction from fans, and there are zero positive signs of change. The current Chairman, Board and CEO have been in place for long enough now to get past any honeymoon/bedding in period and it is clear that they are not willing, or not capable, of halting the decline, let alone reversing it. For me, enough is enough.

Nobody NEEDS to do anything they don't want to, and there will be those who are happy to keep on throwing their hard earned at the club for any number of reasons; from blind faith that things will improve, to those with kids where it's tough to explain and stop taking them to games. It comes down to individuals to decide, and ultimately everyone's reasoning is legitimate, even if it is based on false information (they choose who to believe). I'm just interested in seeing what others are doing/close to doing beyond complaining on here.

A question for all those who aren't happy with how things are at the club. What are you going to do about it? I didn't renew my season ticket and am actively avoiding giving business to sponsors and advertisers (where possible) who, in my view, are just propping up the current regime. I've also stopped buying local newspapers because journalists are spineless and not asking the questions I think they should be asking, or highlighting the issues, both on and off the park. I don't blame the team/players, but it's impossible to be there to cheer them on without also supporting the wages and investment of those who have the power to change things and sit back doing nothing.

Listening to the post match interview, it sounded like Dodds was talking about the team lacking motivation. Unsurprisingly, he didn't seem to have identified it as that and just talked about how disappointed he was and how he was feeling. Yet again, no signs of leadership or accountability, so little wonder he can't motivate the team.

@Robert has a list, but not the time to share it

I have hope, but no expectation. Regardless of any thoughts on squad strength, I have no faith that Dodds has the tactical wherewithal to get the best out of them, nevermind any ability to outsmart the opposition and have us punching above our weight. Not once have I ever seen him take responsibility as leader, and there's already signs in post match interviews this season that he is, once again, willing to throw others to the wolves to deflect from his own deficiencies as a manager and coach. The important question is "What is acceptable?" and if the clubs ambition is to be in the Premiership, then anything less than promotion is not. This ongoing lowering of fan expectations is a sign that the club's only success is dumbing us down and convincing us to keep on paying for a sub standard product while manager/coaches, DoF and CEO continue to pocket a wage they're not deserving of.

They're here to train the cleaning staff.

If you use average home match attendance as a measure then it's about 15%, which is within the expected/acceptable range for customer satisfaction surveys. Not read it yet, but managed to get it open.

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Main Stand Season Ticket = £396 Advanced Purchase Match Ticket = £22 x 18 = £396. Saving on Season Ticket = Zero

Classic It would have taken less time to type the list!

We're clearly victims of if our own success and what we need is a season without any cup runs or play offs in order to get a better start and avoid being ravaged by injury. Being out of the League Cup already means we're off to a good start in preparation for next season.

Feel free to provide me with a list of things which are contrary to that view and I'll reconsider my opinion.

Not necessarily. Spreading and distributing poor info/communication via more outlets does not improve the quality. It just means that more people will be subjected to it.

I suspect people are calling for the manager's head based on a little more than the last 2 games

If we don't have the finances to sack the manager, then we don't have the finances to sign any more players. If we can only afford one of those options, then it should be cheerio to Dodds, and a whip around to get rid of the person who gave him a 2 year extension.

Agree with those advocating for giving the player a chance. He's looking to step up a level and isn't going to turn down a chance at that, especially on a 2 year contract. What does continue to concern me is the fact that the clubs stated ambitions don't match the markets we're shopping in for players, and we're taking the same risks with signings that have bitten us on the ass the last few seasons. If you always do what you've always done etc etc.