The Mantis

Oh come on Dougie, give it time! This thread only started a few days ago

Yes you're right, sorry if my post looks a bit ambiguous. I suppose you could argue that the capacity of Ibrox has been cut in half by the seats so it must be safer. If you imagine the Mount Florida end ('Rangers' end) at Hampden, IIRC it has loads of exit stairs all round it. Ibrox had 2 huge terraces like that but with only a stair at each corner. Anybody will tell you how scary it could be on those stairs after a big game.

I suppose it's a parallel to the situation in the SPL where everybody hates the OF but takes their money. Imagine turning up to watch Cowdenbeath in div 3 and seeing a couple of thousand tims/huns, all kitted out in their replica strips, filling your ground because it's nearer than where their big team is playing.

I got the same: -6.5 and -3.9. Hardly surprising considering the jobs we're both in The only regret I had was that it made you answer every one even if you had no opinion.

I miss terracing too. I'm a bit foggy on the details but as I remember it, it had nothing to do with the OF, but was imposed on us in Scotland by the Taylor Report and the tory government following the Bradford and Hillsborough disasters (and the Heysel one in Belgium). Nobody can seriously argue that sitting the fans down would have prevented either of those. It seems more a political thing to me - makes the masses easier to control and manipulate, and at the same time the clubs can raise prices. Maybe if we had our own parliament back then things would have been different. I don't think seats are necessary in Scotland (or England for that matter) even though there was the Ibrox disaster in 1971. I could be wrong on this, but it was well over 20 years ago.

Aye but it will benefit them - according to Smee they can all use it to get cushy jobs for the boys at ?38 000 :014: :D Seriously though, this can be answered on so many levels. I refer you to my post on the first page where I said that the kids nowadays only want to know 'is this in the test?' They now have a cynical approach to learning facts which is seen as 'sad' and they are encouraged in this by the easy availability of the internet. I submit that, if the adults take this approach too, then we're all sunk. Schools do try to provide vocational education as far as possible but anybody in education will want to aim much higher.

Fixed it for you!

Mantis......for a man who insinuates to be neutral.....you dont half ooze a pro gaelic stance. Gaelic has no apparent value to 98% of the population, so i am far from on my own Just keep trotting out those stats! No way am I neutral (although by your militant stance I could claim to be more neutral than you are)! I said all I want to say on the first page, and at some length. I notice you say no apparent value which is probably why we're all arguing in the first place.

I said pretty much the same in post no 15. Why don't we just cut out the middle man and all become Americans? Sounds fun to me.

Smee - you're turning intae one of those guys who knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing :023:

If you look at the 10 mins highlights that the boy posted on youtube, I'm sure it's the incident bang on 3 mins where the ref books Duncan and the other boy.

He caught up last year. That's him in front now.

I reckon if Russeldinho was as good as he thinks he is, he wouldn't have been at TCS for 8 years :023: Yes he's one of my fav players, mainly because he gives 100% and because he's been here since the Pele days. Also I think he is quite good, he tracks all over the place and wins the ball, but we all know about his passing..... Usually I stick up for him because it's the opposite of what you say - some people can't give him any credit at all. He was getting booed in the SPL by our own fans FFS. A big factor with Russell is, very few people go to away games and see the shift he puts in. His name got chanted on Saturday (and it wasn't me who started it) and I don't think any poster said he was crap this week, unlike Eric and one or two others. At home games the whole team suffers because of the poor support they get. Russell in particular suffers IMO because he refuses to hide on the park.

Can't disagree with much of that - apart from being overgenerous...

I was sitting next to Mannie, and though I remember him being booked in the first half, I can't remember it now, but was it not along with the Quinn booking on 40 mins? Anyway, when the ref turned and flashed a yellow after sending off Lilley, I immediately thought, that's Russell off, the red is coming up in the other hand. On the other hand, if it's just Mannie and me having a senior moment, you'll be reading about an appeal from ICT in Monday morning's papers.

According to the BBC reporter, Foran went crunching in on one of their players just before half-time. The ref gave a free kick, but took no further action - the reporter considered he was lucky not to be booked, and sent off at that stage. But he was booked for a crunching tackle before half time (don't remember two crunchers). Could have been red on another day.

Oh well, you have to say hats off to Gary Lineker for making a joke on MOTD about the group being so easy they've won the cup already....

I need a printable copy of that.....

Maybe the back four should wear Santa outfits next week.

I was trying to decide if Foran's second card was for persistent fouling or for dissent. There's a fair chance that he screamed at Mr Muir for being a 'feckin stupid blind c**t' and who are we to argue

More a subjective account than a scientific one though eh Renegade? One man's 'hasty' is another man's 'firm' etc etc. Due to everybody's different work patterns, some people can be off the site for a good spell then very active for a spell. Some are on during the day, others at night, etc. One thing you can be sure of is that the team reads, on the moderators' forum, the reports of what's happening and decides as a team what action should be taken. So often it's immaterial which mod has warned you or raised your warning level or deleted your post or smacked your botty. It's usually a team decision.

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Just in case anybody can't be ersed trawling through the thread, Lilley got a straight red. Duncan got a second yellow.

It's funny how everybody who missed the game is jumping to conclusions about Duncan. What about Foran? An absolutely shocking tackle in the first half which alone could have merited a red card, but left him on a yellow and almost certain to be sent off. I'm a big Foran fan, but today the post match talk should be about how he cost us the game, not Duncan. Baz made the most of it, but it looked like there was contact. BTW the ref Mr Muir was out of his depth today. An absolute snorter of a game but never dirty. You always know the ref's poor if he upsets both sets of fans.

He never got a straight red, the Queens man did. Duncan was booked before. There was a tussle as they went to get the ball out of the net after the equaliser. Quite a few players were involved. There was another brawl in the first half after Lionel was fouled and Lionel and the Queens no 2? were booked. I personally think Duncan makes us a better side and had a decent game today - covered a lot of ground, tracked back, all the usual stuff he does in away games. Much better than anonymous Cox anyway. The only people who foam at the mouth are those who don't rate him. Why do people say things like 'get the f**k away from our club Duncan' if they're not foaming at the mouth. BTW he got a chant today :( :) Only a hundred away fans but plenty of noise - ask somebody who was actually there whether Duncan put in a shift. I don't know if it's clear from all the posts, but it was a 'foul' on Barry by Foran that got the equaliser from Bob Harris's free kick, otherwise we would probably have won. I know Baz was getting dog's abuse (and apparently he just shrugged over at us at full time as if to say it was his job) but he won us plenty soft free kicks over the years so I'm not complaining.