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not quite !!! Its the first 3 teams in each group (24) who qualify for the next round and are joined by the 8 third placed teams from the CL group stage making it the "round of 32". straight knockout after that. this is a good site that explains who goes where .... http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/

a tall order - can see a fair few thousand of the fans hopping over to wonderful Copenhagen for that game or maybe a cheap flight to Spain, not so many for Russia and Greece though.

Has to be (vertical) stripes for me .... A predominantly solid red or blue kit makes us look too much like other teams in the SPL. I would have no problem if we wanted to alternate our away kit in blue or red/black but our main kit and main identity is both red and blue and that has to be accomodated.

A Toronto FC win tonight would be good - they face Colorado Rapids at "***** Sporting Goods" park in Colorado tonight coming off the back of a good 2-1 win against New York Red Bulls on Thursday night where finally Collin Samuel showed his potential !

FT Gretna 1-2 Celtic Dons 4-0 St Mirren ICT move up one place as St Mirren slip to 11th http://www.caleythistleonline.com/index.ph...r&Itemid=19

McDonald makes it 1-2 in 91st minute :015: :015:

Dons 4-0 up on St Midden :015: :015:

Happily Birthday ..... another year older :002:

Darren Dods just scored for DUFC from a Robson cross .... (thats the game I am forced to listen to). DUFC 1-0 'Well

no audio coverage today - Kilmarnock exercise their media rights to block the BBC

[li]Discuss the game in this very thread right here :004:[/li] [li]Get to the chatroom HERE[/li] [li]See the subs / bookings / report - after the game starts - HERE[/li] [li]At the game ? - Dont forget to vote in the POLL after the game has ended. HERE [/li] [li]See the stats etc after the game has ended by choosing today's game from HERE[/li] LINEUPS KILMARNOCK [attach=1] ICT [attach=2]

I like that comment from CB.

Perhaps the question should be asked directly with the decision/policy makers then rather than the fans who will give their variety of opinions

Our record goalscorer, a certain Mr Wyness also took forever to get his first. Marius will come good, and when he does I get the feeling he will score regularly.

I would disagree. If they are moderating a thread or editing a post, they are wearing the mod hat. If they are making a post of their own they are not. quite simple. But this is going off-topic so thats my last word on it.

Having seen the video of the incident on you-tube, that would be my response to Dida .... "YOU TUBE !!!" Gordy - agree with what you say about much of it. The fan shouldn't have got onto the pitch, and he certainly shouldn't have approached or touched the player and I am sure his life ban from Parkhead and whatever the courts throw at him will make him realise that .... but bottom line is that Dida is indefensible ... he was touched/patted/slapped .. use whatever word you want and if hurt should have gone down on the spot, yet instead, he chases after the guy and when he realises he wont catch him goes down as if hit by a sniper's bullet !! If he actually caught him, what was he going to do ? Dida may actually be Celtic's saviour in all of this ... if he had gone down on the spot, clutching his face after clearly being patted by the fan, UEFA would probably have no option but to fine Celtic heavily and award the game to Milan 3-0 but his antics and fakery - at a time when UEFA are monitoring things like this (eg. Mikoliunas) - has probably meant that Celtic will "get away" with a heavy fine for crowd control violations and nothing more. The Milan chairman knows this which is why he is not making a big deal about it, but I wouldnt be surprised if Dida has to pay some price for this at Milan.

lets just dispel a little myth here once and for all ...... Admin, and any of the moderators (senior or otherwise) are just as entitled to express a personal opinion as anyone else who comes on here .... so long as what they post falls within the site rules. Mods/Admins cannot remove the "moderator" badge from their profile when posting so the fact that they have agreed to help with the (hopefully smooth) running of the site has absolutely no relevance when they are posting something as a normal user. The moderator tag is only of relevance when they are moderating something or policing the forums - and it should be patently obvious to anyone when someone is, or is not, wearing their "moderator hat".

as Jenny says ......... [attach=1]

mine .... probably falling for the Soccer AM wind-up a few seasons ago !

At least Dida is on the mend ..... [attach=1]

I first saw it on the Main Forum.... checked the logs - this post has not been modified/moderated or moved in any way. think the question is a legitimate one, but perhaps could have been added to one of the other threads about the incident.

knew I had the info somewhere .... got it slightly wrong ..... Non-exclusive right to broadcast up to 20 minutes per Outside Broadcast Match and up to 5 minutes from all other Matches (subject to a minimum of 2 minutes from any Match) for use in a BBC highlights programme broadcast on traditional digital and terrestrial television channels. Non-exclusive right to broadcast up to 2 minutes of clips rights per Archive Match for use in BBC highlights, news or feature magazine programming broadcast on linear television channels. Non-exclusive right to stream up to 5 minutes of clip rights per Match or 2 minutes of clip rights per archive match on-line via bbc.co.uk in the context of a news item or match report for up to seven days after the news item has been launched or the Match has been played. and the killer (for me) ...... All audio visual output to be restricted for reception in the UK only and for a maximum period of 7 days from initial broadcast / upload

Anyone travelling to the Gretna game either in fancy dress or just as adult/child may want to look at this thread too ... get family ticket (1 adult, 1 child) for ?10 !!! a chance to win an overnight stay in a 4 star hotel, and a day out at a theme park on the sunday. http://www.caleythistleonline.com/communit...hp?topic=4956.0

thought this might be of interest to anyone thinking of fancy dress for this game ....... I know it was discussed in the bus thread, but thought I would put it in here as that thread is for busses to more than one game ......... special offer to get Adult/Child Ticket for a tenner and a chance to win accomodation in the Alona Hotel, transport to and from the game in the Scooby Doo Mystery Machine :015: :015: :015:, and a day out at a theme park on the sunday ...... this flyer/voucher was supplied to ICT by Gretna FC so we presume it is open to all, not just home fans. [attach=2] Gretna Halloween A5 Flyer.pdf DSM01.gif_thumb

widening would be my word :symbol_exclaim01: [the rest of this posting is made as a supporter and shareholder of ICTFC and not in any official capacity as site publisher/founder.] Forget about the rights and wrongs for a moment, the he-said he-said conversations, or even the blame game - what is needed is constructive criticism and suggestions on how to put it right ............ The crux of the matter is that the club want to inflict the letter of the law on everyone (perhaps I should say SPL rules or SPL guidelines as they are not laws). It would seem that in the club's mind there is no room for any flexibility and yet the consistency in the application of these rules/guidelines between different sections of the stadium or even by different stewards is still not there. If the application of the rules across the board was consistent no-one could complain but quite simply it is not. It looks fairly evident (IMHO) that certain sections of the crowd, certain demographics and even certain individuals have been targetted for whatever reason and this is wrong, wrong, wrong. I mean this as no slight to the current match commander, who - in his own area of specialty - has produced a healthy and excellent set of accounts, but to the best of my knowledge has no background in crowd control or security. He quite simply should not be put in a position where he has to deal with an aspect of the matchday that requires specialised training. I have no idea what currently occurs in the control room, but if I were put in his position, then I too might err on the side of caution in applying the rules to the letter as opposed to someone such as John Sutherland who has had years of training and experience and can use all of that skill and knowledge as well as the rules to make sure things are done fairly, consistently and with at least a modicum of common sense. The SPL's own guideline to clubs acknowledges that one aspect of dealing with "unacceptable conduct" is to work with supporters in identifying what is and is not acceptable and further suggests that this should go on continuously. The other parts are in preventing and dealing with incidents (which explains things like pro-active ticket checks and post-match stadium bans). The club do seem to be applying some of these guidelines, but I do not recall anyone "working with" supporters recently to identifyacceptable/unacceptable limits. Issuing statements or edicts is not "working with", it is "talking at" .... The fans are not blameless either. We have seen it on here in recent weeks where some supporters think that "anything goes" and any attempt by stewards to apply rules and guidelines the club have agreed to abide by as part of their SPL membership, or things that are legitimate Health and Safety issues are met with claims of heavy handedness. There may have been some, but accept the fact that sometimes it is the fans' fault - like sitting on a wall, or in someone else's seat and getting pissed off when the person whose seat it is asks you to move. personally, I wouldnt have asked you, I would have horsed you off my seat (and then joined in with the singing !) The end result - the club gets more and more officious in applying the rules, some fans get more and more belligerent in ignoring the rules and it reaches an impasse where we have bans, ejections, claims of heavy handedness by stewards, and counter claims of bad/drunken behaviour by fans ..... Both the club and the fans have to realise this is an issue that needs to be resolved. The current state of play is doing no-one any good. Here are my suggestions .... 1. (CLUB) : Employ a qualified security officer / match commander with the relevant experience. 2. (CLUB) : Ensure that this security officer actually holds a meeting with fans to discuss security and the guidelines and updates things continuously as suggested by SPL themselves. There doesnt have to be a meeting every time something minor happens, but they could perhaps have a column on the official website, they could comment on here if they wanted (Q&A sessions or forum), or they could hold meetings regularly with the trust. Work with the fans, dont talk at them. 3. (FANS) : Ask for (and hopefully receive) assurances that any and all policies will be applied consistently and fairly throughout the ground. This is crucial as there is nothing more galling than getting a hard time for something and then seeing large swathes of the away support being left alone to do the very same thing. "But they are doing it" may not be a valid excuse for bad bahaviour, but it does annoy you when you see it happening. 4. (CLUB) : Ask stewards to take a more common sense and customer oriented approach. Politeness costs nothing, and if you start off polite rather than agressive, the end result is frequently positive and confrontation-less. It wont always work and they may need to be more firm, but starting polite and moving to firm gives you a **** of a lot more options than starting firm or agressive and having nowhere to move to after that. 5. (CLUB) : if complaints come in about certain stewards, please investigate and make a decision based on the evidence. Do not automatically assume the steward is in the right because they are a steward ! Also - if you have promised a supporter that a particular steward "will never work here again", perhaps you should stick to that. 6. (FANS) : Realise that there are rules that the club has to work to and that they have no option but to apply them. If you are asked to sit down by a steward or the police, then quite simply you have no option but to comply as its in the rules. You may not like it (and we know most fans dont) but if you want to change the rules, then speak to the SPL or join one of the many campaigns going around - the club cant change it on their own. 7. (FANS) : Self-Police ! If someone is doing something dodgy thats going to bring the wrath of the stewards down upon the section then (collectively) have a word get them to stop doing it. Its far more preferable to organise/control the behaviour within ourselves rather than letting it get out of hand so that stewards/police become involved as that invariably leads to hassle, arrests and now, it would seem, automatic stadium bans. I am not saying dont enjoy - just realise the limits and dont try to push them quite so much ! If we can do this, the club may give us more leeway ! anyway - those are some of my suggestions - part based on my experience of dealing both with supporters and club officials and also part inspired by how the "U-Sector" group of fans at Toronto FC games liaise with the club and try to self-police themselves.