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Marvin Andrews was a great defender in the first division and was decent enough in the SPL until injured. By all accounts he is also a very personable gentleman. If he were fully fit and free of injuries, I would have loved to see him at ICT as a replacement for Bobby Mann or indeed for Darren Dods if he goes. However, the unfortunate truth is that Marvin is never going to be free of injury now and we shouldnt touch him with a ten foot pole.

yup - agree with whats above. 6 points from the games against Falkirk and St Midden should be the aim although I am sure they will think similarly. Taking anything from the Rangers game will be a bonus, so 6 out of 9 is realistic.

Think this list is more up to date ... Bayne - 2007 Black - 2009 Brown - 2007 Dargo - 2007 Dods - 2007 Duncan - 2008 Fraser - 2007 Golabek - 2008 Hart - 2008 Hastings - 2007 Keogh - 2007 Kerr - 2008 McAllister - 2008 McBain - 2007 McCaffrey - 2007 McSwegan - 2007 Morgan - 2007 Munro - 2007 Rankin - 2009 Smith - 2007 Soane - 2007 Sutherland - 2007 Tokely - 2008 Wilson - 2007 Wyness - 2008

The rumour mill is for RUMOURS ... as mentioned above, this came from Grassa. As i mentioned in my post - "the info isnt totally up to date as some have signed new contracts" - The list I had was from part way through last season, so it is entirely possible that some on it have indeed signed new contracts - After posting it, I amended Ian Black for example when I remembered he had signed a new deal - didnt have time to check back the forum threads for other mentions. perhaps others can tidy up my list ??

According to info I had during last season, we have quite a few players out of contract at the end of the season ... the info isnt totally up to date as some have signed new contracts I think but its a fair old list. Bayne Black signed new contract Brown Fraser Hastings Keogh McBain McAllister McCaffrey Morgan Munro Soane Sutherland Wilson

reads like it should be to the tune of Mambo #5

Upset that she was chastised about methadone comments I believe. not banned, and welcome back any time The only person banned from this website has been Caley2005 (and several aliases he tried to register after that). His ban was at the request of his mother. We originally planned to send him to the 'sin bin' for 7 days but his mum asked us to make it permanent. Marty has not been banned. Roughly 200 different registered users log in on most days (about the same as when we were on SN) - we cant force them to post. Maybe its not so much fun for some of those who used to come on trying to bait people now that the site is unofficial again :006:

right next to the statue of FW .... note the lifebelt nearby in case he gets out of his depth :015:

I hope the meetings are in Stockholm ... other wise this is going way off topic and should have a thread of its own :015: :004:

thought the most telling comment from a fan on the JT show was .... "if we want to play sideways, play ferguson"

sounds remarkably similar to what was done with ICT and the formation of the trust.

what the one where Rossco confronts the alien ?? (forgive the low quality of the picture - did it very quickly)

Had my doubts at the time of the DUFC saga based on the fact that he had a few ropy performances to start the season - sounds like he is back to normal now though which is good to hear.

Thats the story that surfaced at the time .... and we all bought into it .... but its amazing how most have only ever heard one side of the story .... a story which allegedly originated from someone who told us he was staying at the club and two days later was paraded as assistant manager at another club.

there is no additional TV money directly to the clubs for each game shown - the increased sponsorship is shared based on the 4% + bonus I mentioned above so the amopunt of money a club gets is entirely within their control - play better, finish higher, earn more money. I do however agree with you about the crowds.

The downside of 'progress' is change ..... but if we want to see the best football we can in Inverness, then change is inevitable. It is quite likely that we would never have got into the senior leagues if Caley and Thistle had to apply separately for membership and it was only through a monumental change in the setup of Inverness football that this happened. We all know the pain of this and the abuse meted out to those who were leaders in making this change happen. We also know that some fans never returned as they disagreed with this massive change. I myself have taken abuse on here and on the streets for launching a website about the newly merged team from its very first days but that is nothing compared to what some people endured. It was possible that we would very quickly be booted out of the league if we hadnt spent vast sums of money to change our home park from Caley's Telford Street ground to the 'neutral' venue of the Caledonian Stadium. Again, people had to have the vision to make these changes happen and others didnt agree with these changes. It is a fact that the club would have gone bust and we wouldnt be watching ANY ICT football if Tullochs and David Sutherland hadnt implemented major changes at the club by coming in, sorting out the debts we had accrued over the first few years and putting a structure in place that would lead to continued growth and eventually to SPL football. Once again, I know of a few people who thought DS had horns and a trident and that we were selling ourselves to the devil who would kill the club and have his company profit from the fallout - History has proven this to be nonsense and both Tullochs and David Sutherland are major factors in our rise to the SPL and also in bringing SPL football to the TCS. As we moved up the leagues we continued to see our club change slowly. In division 3 days with a hardcore support of a few hundred, the officials and players got to know most of the regular fans by name and it was truly a cosy and welcoming environment. Division 2 was the same, and even part of our journey in division 1. However, as the team progressed on the park, and eventually reached the SPL it was inevitable that things would have to change even further. To me the biggest change, and perhaps one of the reasons why there seems to be more negativity from fans at times is the fact that the club have had to become a lot more impersonal in their attempts to become more professional. In Div3, Div2, and even Div1 days, it was a cosy atmosphere, officials and players knew a lot of the fans by name, and on the admin side of things, rules could be bent or accomodations made. This meant that there were a lot less complaints about things as people were frequently able to resolve their issues behind the scenes or get their own way and therefore feel 'valued'. Now, with more fans, more scrutiny, and more rules applied to the club by other bodies, there is less chance to feel quite as valued as the club do have to follow all these new rules - some of which are as frustrating for them as it is for their customers. The club do a lot of things right but we seldom hear of this as good news is not so much fun to debate. I would agree that they are still a long way from getting it totally right off the park but they continue to try. I make no excuses for mistakes that people make other than to say people do make mistakes and I can only hope that they learn from them. I also hope these same people are humble enough to listen to fans who vent on this and other websites rather than bury their heads in the sand and say - 'its always so negative' or 'i dont go on there as they are always complaining' which I know happens. [NOTE: our Chief Exec IS a regular visitor so doesnt fall into the 'ostrich' category] anyway ... I got a bit off track there ... back to the present day. Change is inevitable and now that we are in the SPL we have more rules applied to us, less control over our own destiny and things that both the club and the fans dislike. Regardless of the annoyances, it is imperative that we stay in the SPL as the financial implications of not doing so would be disastrous. I think this was highlighted recently when the top clubs in Division 1 talked about the miniscule difference in money from the SFL for finishing top of division 1 compared to the bottom of division 3. Like it or not, TV revenue and Setanta sponsorship is required to make the SPL work. Setanta spend something in the region of £13,000,000 per year which is spread between the clubs. Each club are guaranteed 4% of that amount with the remaining 52% distributed as a bonus depending on where they finish (0.5% for 12th, 1% for 11th, 1.5% for 10th etc ... up to 4.5% for 4th, 5.5% for 3rd, 11% for 2nd and 13% for 1st). For ICT that equates to around 1 million per season if we continue our mid table finishes. This goes a huge way to making the books balance. Do I like the idea of Setanta having such a grip on the game ? NO Do I think that they should be allowed to arbitrarily move games around ? NO Do I think that live broadcasts should be blacked out in Scotland ? CERTAINLY NOT Do I think they (and their money) are needed ? YES Do I think they should consider the implications of moving games around ? YES Do I think they will do that ? NO

Thought I would throw this into the mix ...... SPL Economic Upturn For the first time in more than a decade Scottish Premier League teams made a collective operating profit, albeit a rather modest one of £2.8m. So says the 17th Annual Financial Review of Scottish Football published by PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. Combined debt fell to £129m from £184m, thanks mainly to Rangers' £52m rights issue, and wage costs fell below £100m for the first time in five years. Seven of the 12 clubs now have a wage to turnover ratio of less than 60%. David Glen, partner at PricewaterhouseCoopers, said of the figures that refer to season 2004/05: "Clubs are now feeling the effects of the financial recovery which began last year. "But before we get too carried away it is important to understand that the results benefit from one-off credits which total £22m. "These include a £15m accounting gain at Rangers, £3.6m from debt write-off at Dundee and a similar £3.3m debt write off at Dunfermline." He added: "Clubs have continued to reign in spending on wages (£96m total). They have also resisted the urge to spend major amounts in the transfer market. "With debts gradually going in the right direction after a tumultuous few years it is now time for clubs to look forward to the next phase, to try to secure and increase revenues and attain a truly sustainable business model." The review shows that Celtic (£62m revenue) and Rangers (£55m revenue) continue to be the financial powerhouses in Scotland's top flight. Meanwhile, clubs outside the Old Firm have seen revenues increase by an average of 18%.

Aberdeen game would be a higher quota of police as its a bigger game than say St Mirren or Dunfermline. I have no idea of the quota required but I think its more a case of spreading already thin resources even more thinly as not ALL of those fans at the game would be in town - maybe a few hundred out of several thousand if you are lucky. Also, the officers on duty would presumably have to go through some form of debriefing and also have a break before hitting the streets - so it might be 11pm or later before they were available. We also have no idea if Northern Constabulary were against it as it was ACPOS as a whole who refused to do it so some forces may have been for it and some against but stood together with a unified response.

I understood you perfectly CaleyD .... just disagreed. An ICT match is obviously not viable outside the UK (unless playing one of the OF) as Setanta make it ridiculously impossible to watch anyone other than the OF (and even thats a rigmarole). To a certain extent I can understand this thinking as a couple of hundred ICT supporters dotted around the globe would hardly bring in as much money as 10s of thousands of the displaced OF fans so expecting to see a live ICT game on TV or making setanta tv available domestically in north america is perhaps a pipe dream as they themselves would not be able to attract advertisers. However, I dont see why they dont market the highlights package to a company like Fox Sports World (ie. SKY !!) or TSN (Canadian Sports Channel). Failing that, it would be nice to be able to pay to view the feed from the game on their website if it was available - something with far less overhead as we both know - and that just doesnt happen. Moving over to domestic televising of games - I disagree that it should be blacked out because I think those who are able to get to the game will still go to it .... Your idea would penalise the likes of Mantis, RiG, Naelifts, Govan Jaggie, Coias etc because, through no fault of their own, the game is now being played (for example) on a Monday night but only broadcast outside the UK. Unless they have a helicopter standing by, they just could not get to it and to stop them viewing it would be madness as they couldnt get there anyway. I dont know what the answer is but a 'one size fits all' solution like blacking out the game is not workable as one size never fits all (again ... something we both know :015:) ... we have to live with Setanta and the SPL in their decisions about which games to televise, but if they are not making sensible suggestions, then perhaps they could have pressure put on them by official supporters organisations to actually establish a dialogue so that fans or fans associations could help them come up with a solution where everyone wins or at least where common sense prevails ....

He's not a world beater, his name is never mentioned over here when it comes to Canadian 'soccer' and the international team, and he is not the best left back in the SPL. BUT he is the best left back we have at the club at the moment and should be an automatic choice for the starting spot unless/until his performances drop. I agree with those that say he gives us an attacking option on the left and also with the reasons why this is not as effective as the tokely/wilson partnership on the right flank. Would like to see Hastings/Morgan or why not give Hastings/Zander a go ... he's left sided and by all accounts very exciting to watch ? Given that RH takes the field in an ICT shirt, the ICT supporters should do just that and support the guy. I used to get really p***** off at the treatment some dished out to Paul Ritchie and I think RH falls into a similar category (along with the likes of Russell Duncan) where they dont do too much wrong but cant do right for doing wrong in some supporters eyes, whilst other players can wander about with a finger up their erse and be seen as messiahs !!! As I said earlier in the thread, I was one of the most vocal and scathing in my verbal attacks on him when he left the club the first time round, but time has moved on, the true story may not be quite what we were told at the time, he has come back to the club (a brave move) and hasnt done anything to merit the flak he is getting. C'mon, the guy had the sense to come back to ICT - lets forgive him !!!

dont agree - The TV companies are both devils and angels. Devils because they move stuff around the schedules making life difficult for the customers, yet angels because without them and the revenue they put into Scottish football many teams, OURS INCLUDED would simply not be commercially viable. You only have to look at our accounts in the seasons when we progressed in the cups to see the effect of TV revenue. They are what you might call 'a necessary evil'. Disagree again. As an ICT fan, if I were able to get to a game, I would go simple as that. However we have many fans who live outside the town, country or even continent who cant organise travel (whether thats for a saturday/sunday game or an evening game) and also many fans who are students or lower paid and who have to pick and choose games because of finances. CaleyD ... I fear the solution is not as simple as you suggest and although the TV companies and SPL give no thought to the punters in moving the games, which they should, one of the root causes of the malaise is the product itself. A league where teams play each other 3 or 4 times a season plus maybe twice more in cups just doesnt fire up the imagination in the way it might if there were 15/17/19 other teams that you were guaranteed to play twice per season and maybe meet in the cup. As has been said earlier in the thread, a small league like this also jacks up the fear factor for relegation and teams are scared to play for fear of getting a bad result and we end up with the turgid effluent that 3517 poor souls had to endure on Saturday. I dont have the formula for making it all better - I dont think anyone has, but one thing is for sure, a shakeup is needed within the game if it is to ever go on an upward spiral instead of the constant decline we have seen so far.

Think he did manage a couple of bigguns :004: :015:

not often I agree with you Bonzo, but in this case, I do :clapping04:

STK06 = Narrow streets in Gamla Stan STK07 = VASA Ship museum - supposed to be good but we didnt have time to go there STK08 = Fishing right outside the royal palace ... all Swedes have the right to fish for free in Swedens rivers

STK03 = Fountain in Gamla Stan - scene of the Stockholm Massacre STK04 = Skyline - taken from the bus during our bus/boat tour STK05 = Royal Palace on Gamla Stan