Scotty

If its personal and abusive rather than performance related then it should be dealt with and dealt with very strongly. While we can moan if a player is not playing well, or doesn't seem like he is trying there is absolutely no justification for bringing his family into the mix, especially when you do it to one of your own players !!!! That is bang out of order ! ...... it used to be acceptable to go there with opposition players (or for the Tartan Army with pundits and commentators like Jimmy Hill) but as the song says ... those days are past now, and in the past they must remain !! (sorry, mention of Jimmy Hill meant I could not resist) ... but if its not acceptable to throw some 'banter' at the opposition for fear of it being called abuse, then its absolutely stupid and moronic to do it to one of our own.

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Scotty HT: 1-0 FT: 2-1 1st ICT: Oakley 1st Opp: Shankland Crowd: 3113 CDN Girl HT: 0-1 FT: 1-1 1st ICT: Austin 1st Opp: Crawford Crowd: 2776 SOS HT: 0-0 FT: 1-0 1st ICT: Walsh 1st Opp: Adams Crowd: 2555

Scotty : Partick @ 2.10 CDN Girl : Clyde @ 2.30 SOS : Morton @ 2.25

A minute's silence or applause .... either way there will be quite a few tears.

no question ... ICT ?

Great bit of nostalgia and captures the early days very well .. MacArthur, Teasdale, Christie, Hercher ... we didnt realise we had it so good at the time (or maybe we did) ... As a "young" club we haven't experienced the loss of any club legends like other teams' supporters have until now, and because many of us recall those games from the perspective of having been there its even harder to get your head around it. Still cant take it in really. Really hope the club do something - in consultation with the family - to recognise and remember his role as part of the club as player, captain, and as a supporter too.

stunned by this news. dont know what to say other than RIP Herchie. Condolences to family and friends.

I know ... but a man can dream there we go ... Toronto FC link right there - Steven Caldwell. Former TFC captain, current employee of the club and TV pundit for MLS games in Toronto !

Toronto FC ?

Scotty : Partick @ 2.37 CDN Girl : Morton @ 2.25 SOS : Raith @ 2.10

Scotty HT: 0-0 FT: 0-1 1st ICT: Austin 1st Opp: Mackin Crowd: 3711 CDN Girl HT: 0-1 FT: 1-2 1st ICT: Polworth 1st Opp: Haber Crowd: 4022 SOS HT: 1-0 FT: 1-1 1st ICT: Walsh 1st Opp: Shepherd Crowd: 3887

yes it did. sorry, just my tardiness after holidays and stuff. much appreciated

agree with what I have highlighted from BDU. That is the main point in all of this. No-one is saying the American way of doing everything should be recreated, but one thing North Americans - and their sports leagues - do and know how to do is marketing, merchandising and squeezing as many pennies out of you as they can while still leaving you smiling !!! Three to four hours in the warmth of Houston is not the same as Longman, Inverness. As a season ticket holder at Toronto since inception in 2007 I think I can safely say that I have enough experience to comment that 3 or 4 hours in Toronto in the early or late part of the season is far worse than the Longman for temperature. The coldest I had ever been at a stadium for many years was actually the first ever game at the Caledonian Stadium where we played an RAF / Services select on a cold midweek night. That night was absolutely brutal and well below zero with a biting wind coming right up the glen and into your face. I swear I could hear the clang of the brass monkeys all around me .... HOWEVER, that was eclipsed in each of the last two years at the MLS Cup Final in Toronto, in mid December ! We lost the first and won it last year. The temperature was about the same both times at around -7 but the first year, with the dreaded 'windchill' factor it was closer to -20. For some reason I didnt feel it so bad last year !! Try standing on metal stands for 2 hours in that temperature and freezing from the soles of your feet upwards and the TCS will seem balmy at any game ! And its not just Toronto ... you could add Montreal, Minnesota, New York (2), New England, Philadelphia, Chicago, Colorado, and others into that mix for severe weather and of course Houston, Dallas, LA (2), San Jose and others into the mix for extreme hot weather in the summer months. Sitting in extreme heat can be as bad - if not worse - than sitting in extreme cold ! The cultural differences between USA and Scottish/UK folk are well known...... Scottish football has a 'pie and bovril' mentality which will never change imo. I can't see many folk wanting a Prawn Cocktail or Avacado, with freshly squeezed Pomegranate juice snack at half time. Cultural differences ? MLS is a weird league in some ways thats for sure, but what it does have everywhere is a mixture of cultures not just 'Americans'. It varies by location and the cultural and immigrant makeup of the city in question but in Toronto the group i belong to has people from virtually every continent in the world. Plenty of UK ex-pats but also Bulgarians, Italians, Brazilians, Chinese, Australian etc .. you name it we got it. These people all bring their own passion but as a group it is great as everyone feeds off each other. Maybe that's why there are so many options at the stadium for stuff to eat (and drink) from 3rd party companies who rent space ..... https://bmofield.com/plan-your-visit/food-beverages/ ... and not a Prawn Cocktail or Avocado in sight !! ... I think you can still also get a pie and a bovril if you want it ... you could certainly get that along with chip butties and Cornish pasties and such like the first couple of years. I do tend to eat before I go to the stadium though as the pricing is typical North American stadium pricing which is ridiculous .... but if you want it, it is there and plentiful ... I mentioned the -20 weather above ... they sold a lot of hot beverages that day including soup, cocoa, chocolate, and of course coffee and tea (not your fancy starbucks stuff, just a good old fashioned large cup of steaming coffee). I am told they had 'hot beef drinks' too but I never found them .... The game on the pitch is always live on TV and they have that playing all over the concourse on big TVs while you wait for the toilet or for your next round of food or drink at the concession stands. exactly. The SFA for many years said things could not change 'because we have always done it this way' . That is a sure fire kiss of death in almost any business or career. As Shrek once said (and I dont mean Wayne Rooney) ... 'Change is good donkey !!' I dont have any showstoppers here but I'll throw a couple of ideas into the hat and see if that inspires others .... Start small - tidy up the place. We cant do much about the car park as the lack of paving means the rates are lower but perhaps we can plan it a bit better. Even something as simple as having one side of the car park as the "express" line and the other as the more leisurely line. How many times have you come out of the stadium only to find the driver for the car in front is in hospitality or taking their time around the stadium. Make the left side express and the far right side the slow side ! Charge less for the slow side if you want to incentivise it. Behind the North Stand allow some food trucks to congregate and 'compete' with each other. Competition usually brings better quality and pricing. Let them do this for a while for a nominal fee and have the fans vote on their favourites. The favourites can be invited to occupy prime spots in the stadium such as the space between main and North stand, the main concourse of the stadium (outside) or even the inside food area for the regular rates. With the advent of electronic ticketing it should not be a problem to allow exit and re-entry to the stadium using the QR or bar-code from the ticket to access these vans. If it is, then on a matchday you simply put up crush barriers and extend the footprint of the stadium to include those areas. With those crush barriers in place (or not) have a few things kid related around the stadium area. At TFC we routinely see other businesses (banks, car companies, food companies) setup bouncy castles or 'beat the goalie' or other such stuff. The kids love it and of course the reps can badger the parents to subscribe to or buy their services as they stand there. This one might be controversial - but on a matchday close of all side-street road access along Stadium Road from the harbour mini-roundabout all the way to the TCS. Make this a 2 lane one-way street (to the TCS) until 3PM and a 2 lane one-way street (to the town) after the game. This may not be viable in the championship but may be worht talking to the council about when we get back to the Premiership and crowds are higher. I am sure I can think of others - but thats a first thought before we even get inside the stadium !!!

I remember Don (Keir) driving the CaleyInn bus to Dumfries ... that was quite an away day. or the game in Dundee against Rangers where a few members of the bus mooned Gazza as he was driven away from the ground with Jimmy 5 bellies. I remember our 4-3 game against livingston being described eloquently by Bill Leckie as all that was good about the game just a day after Hugh Dallas had been hit by a coin at an old firm game. I remember the Gringos picture in the paper after that Livi game. I remember 28 minutes in Kilmarnock and the Killie Hippo and I remember countless wonderful experiences at the TCS and in various away grounds. all good times and all part of the rollercoaster experience of supporting a club outside of the big two. I always glance at the fixture list when planning trips home and try to maximise the opportunity to see (home) games. However, when I do come the atmosphere is flat. The enjoyment and experience has been legislated out of the game. We were never the most vociferous support but we could get a bit loud and rowdy. Not any more. if anyone has the temerity to do so it seems they could be in trouble from the authorities ... I have not lost the spark, but I hope that the club and Scottish football in general takes a look at things and looks at ways to improve the matchday experience. Not talking about American razzmatazz as some might suggest (or have in the past), just basic stuff like being treated with respect, having decent food options, reasonably clean toilets, stewards that are present to help make the day better and resolve issues rather than inflame them or cause confrontations. Alcohol is always involved in football, so you will get the odd bell-end but just deal with them as they deserve and dont take the default position that everyone is a bell-end !!! The club does some things right and some things wrong and that has been true regardless of who sits in the boardroom. Having them listen is a good start ... then making small changes that dont have to cost the earth (or in some cases dont cost anything) is the next step ... lets hope CJT - once back on track - can be the conduit it was supposed to be for that kind of thing.

Actually ... that might make sense to the SPFL !!!

Ok, I am now really confused .... you deduct 0 points or 3 points, not 2 out of 3 points !!! .... If you are effectively calling the game an administrative draw and letting Hearts keep 1 point then surely Cove should get the other point for the 'draw' !!! This decision makes no sense almost any way you slice and dice it.

OOPS !!! https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44893486?ns_source=twitter&ns_mchannel=social&ns_linkname=scotland&ns_campaign=bbc_sportsound

shame they fielded an ineligible player !

VAR has been used in MLS for the last couple of years now (with former EPL ref Howard Webb in overall charge of the programme) . Overall it seems to be a good thing IMHO ... but like normal refereeing, the system is only as good as the referee himself !!! Webb was on the commentary team for the final over here and was absolutely slaughtering the referee's decision for the penalty in the final despite the opportunity to use VAR and be sure. I was impressed with how quickly it operated in Russia. In MLS it has been slower than that up to now.

I think football just found a new hero in Kylian Mbappe though .... not only was he very good, but he's just donated all his world cup earnings to charity. https://mashable.com/2018/07/16/kylian-mbappe-world-cup-charity-donation/#TV_Yl8c4bSqW

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1-3 Doran

Walsh gets another 1-2 now

4-2 now