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The assumption from the last few comments is that we have been prudent and operating without investment since relegation...and, by the Chairman's own words, that couldn't be further from the truth. Back in July he issued a statement that said there had been £900,000 in additional investment and more was needed. That's a long way from living within our means and being sustainable in the Championship! P.S. We got £374,000 from UEFA last year which we won't have got this year.

A wee bump to remind people that their nominations need to be submitted before noon on the 6th November ?

You can't say "I'm not going to tar everyone with the same brush" when that's what you've just done and then reenforced it by saying you're making a generalisation....well, you can as that's what you've done....hence the

It's a little frustrating not to be a bit further up the table, but we're still very much in the game. Heck, if we were in Falkirk's position then I'd be wetting my knickers along with everyone else...but we're a long way from that and not even a third of the way into the season. The points on the board are fixed, they're done with, in the past....there's nothing we can do about them. However, there are still plenty of points to be won and we CAN do something about them. Believe ?

Did I?

Was talk of it being done 3 or 4 times a season and looking at the format to see if it would be practical to do live online so more people can participate.

A reminder that the club are having an open fans meeting to discuss the Supporters Liaison topic. The meeting is being held at the ICTFC Social Club tomorrow night at 7pm. More information on the club website at http://ictfc.com/index.php/news/club-news/2325-open-meeting-agenda-thursday-25-october

I don't recall any specific rule on it....although there is a specific one for replays....but I do recall the conversation coming up during a meeting (the year there was a horrendous level of league postponements) and reference being made to the fact that it is part of the agreement between the SPFL (SPL & SFL at that time) that Scottish Cup matches could not be postponed due to matches taking place in other competitions.

The last time I looked at City Population v Attendance figures....we were up there at the top end of the table. That would have been done when we were playing in the top league with better attendances, so would doubtless make for less impressive reading on current numbers...what with attendances falling whilst population continues to grow. It should also be taken into consideration that whilst population is growing, it is in no small part due to people moving to the area who may already have other team allegiances. A fact that ties into a point I made elsewhere about the country possibly being at "peak interest" with fans of the game being spread across too many clubs for a country our size.

Robbo has said he's cut £1.2 Million from the wage budget....so we're probably paying less than minimum wage these days.

I'm not against Summer Football, I'm just not a fan of going "oh, look what they are doing, if it worked for them it should work for us". If Scottish Football really wants to know what will work here...ask the people here...create a case for things based on meaningful, relevant data. It's checking over the fence to see what the neighbours have that landed us with league splits and project brave and the attitude that it's the supporters and clubs who must be screwed up because these things worked elsewhere.

Scottish Cup would have precedence.

How about we stop looking everywhere else and start looking at home, talking/listening to the fans here and working towards whatever works best for us? I should qualify that by saying that if what's best for Scotland happens to be the same as above....great. Just let's not jump assuming things will work here because they work elsewhere. I'm also taking it for granted that it works in Sweden and the fans there are happy with it.

What's that got to do with the price of cheese?

Been happening for as long as I can remember...and bigger/older and better-resourced teams than us have failed to do anything which has ever had an impact on it. Perhaps Friday night football which makes it a bit tougher for people to travel to see their "home" team might encourage them to stay local instead?

I'm feeling good about this one.....3-0 win for us ?

Taking the personal element out of it, then it ultimately comes down to whether or not it would attract more than it loses...and without a bit of work to survey/test that, all we have is the subjective answer. There's a part of me that believes Scottish Football is possibly attracting about everyone who's interested in attending already....our % of population figure is amongst the highest in the world....can that be increased even further? If so, then it's not something that can be done on an individual club basis. Alternatively, the real issue might be that with so many teams we are just cutting up the cake into too many small pieces and in order to improve our attendance then we have to "steal" from another club.....or reduce the number of clubs!!

Fully expected that response from someone...glad not to be disappointed...ya kant. ?

For a club of our size, when in the top league, then non-tv income would have been about 70%. However, the value in some of that other income...shirt sponsorship, ad boards etc...was higher due to the chance of it appearing on TV, so you'd maybe push towards an adjusted figure in the region of 60%. Ticket/fan (non corporate) income would make up a bit over half of that...maybe more towards two thirds (35% to 40% of total). In the championship the largest drop in income is from share of TV, so ticket/fan income could easily push the 50% mark...but I'm not sure it would get as high as 60%.

That kind of research is never going to happen (unfortunately)...for so many reasons...so if we are going to look at change, then it needs workable methodology/analysis and a bit of trial and error. Not ideal, but the alternative is we keep doing what we are doing (even though we know it's not working) because we can't prove anything else would be better.

That would only prove (or disprove) the concept...it doesn't provide any information on what could/would go into making it work.

Let me try and turn this conversation through 180º by asking.... What would it take to make Friday Night Football work?

I agree with the first part...100%. On the second part....they'll pay as much as they do now so long as the TV viewing figures don't change. If people really want to boycott TV coverage then the answer is to turn off your TV, not stop attending games. A move to Friday Night Football might actually encourage TV companies to spend and cover more games because it wouldn't fall within the holdback rules, allowing it to be shown live worldwide. It would also mean that we'd have fewer (if any) games shifted (often at short notice) for TV....as has happened with the Ayr game.

No more or less than I'd look forward to it in the wee hours of a freezing January morning!