Renegade

Maybe this new Scottish channel will buy the rights to that great comedy show Most Haunted!

They were also the stalwats and mainstays that we part of the team that had managed to stay up four seasons previously. They were also the stalwarts and mainstays during the season where ICT won Division One. They were also the stalwarts in the following season where ICT, on another day would've reached top six. You're making it sound like relegation was all their fault, quietly ignoring the fact that Butcher played his part as well. What I have noticed though, is that many pro-Butcher posters always refer back to the winning of Division One and the success of the following season, as to why Butcher is some sort of managerial god, yet when others criticise Butcher and mention the decision to punt Munro, Duncan and Tokely, the part he played in the relegation and other instances in the past, the happy clappers are the first to tell them to "get over it" and "move on".

Personally, I think he could do a job a full back. Also, if he was to start up front, would Oswell be an option to start alongside him? From what I've seen of him, he certainly has a bit more zip about him and apparently has quite a clinical shot. He could be the type of player that could do well as a finisher next to Foran's creator role.

You fail you mention that I did say that "most of the damage was done under Brewster", while Tokely had been playing centre-half for some weeks previously, Mihadjuks was playing in a position he'd never played before in the clubs most important game ever. Surely playing Mihadjuks and Tokely in their natural positions would've made more sense, no? Oh wow! Number one at County! He must be some sort of Peter Schmeichel/Oliver Kahn/*insert great goalkeeper here* hybrid! No doubt County will be declining bids from Barcelona, AC Milan and tons of other major clubs come January! In all seriousness though, is it logical to go with a poorer goalkeeper to the one on the bench for the club's most important game ever and the couple beforehand once Esson had come back from suspension? Of course not. And it's even more ridiculous when you consider that Michael Fraser had already signed a pre-contract with Motherwell. It was an utterly ludicrous and decisive decision. County are close to doubling the amount of unbeaten games that ICT did, which also includes games in the SPL and would be even longer had they not been gubbed by Hamilton earlier in the season. It's also an unbeaten run that has included Grant Munro almost in it's entirety and now includes Ross Tokely. Butcher punting Munro was the best thing that ever happened to County. But you and your ilk would probably find some way of praising him for that as well! Cool story bro.....albeit a little camp. Even if the club is hurtling towards relegation? Wow the Irish lads. Brewster had some good signings as well, should he have kept his job just because of that? I bet you probably did! Don't really see how the two are related to be honest. Short memories no - I have acknowledged the good times under Butcher, but they cannot justify his staying hin the job for life, especially if the reasons why we are in such a mess is done to his decisions.

Now that I agree with. I am by no means advocating to sack him this minute and the next couple of months will be the most telling of how the season will pan out, and he should have the time to do that. What I would say though, is that the Highland Derby in October could well be the most important match in the history of his managerial career and should ICT be on the end of a drubbing with Munro, Tokely and Duncan running the show, then in many people's eyes his position may well become untenable.

I'm no believer in this view that just because a manager has had success in the past means that they should be untouchable or is the man for the job for life. John Beck managed two consecutive promotions at Cambridge United and in his third season was sixteen minutes from guiding them to the inaugural Premiership season in 1992. They just missed out and no more. The following season, he had them hurtling towards relegation with both fading away into obscurity ever since. Paul Le Guen is another one. His record pre-Rangers was very strong, but it didn't save him from the sack. There's an old saying that a manager's second season is always his best and where Butcher is concerned it could be argued that he has two at ICT. The season after relegation was his second season here and his first full one in charge. As we all know, it was very successful. The season after as well (his second full season here), was also fairly successful and on another day could well have obtained a top six finish. It should also be noted, that both these seasons contained players that could be described as "vintage ICT" who had been at the club for a number of years, with Stuart Golabek's return being the only one instated by Butcher himself. Many though seem to forget, that ICT should have stayed up in 2009, but Butcher blew it with weeks remaining, opting to play the weaker and already leaving Michael Fraser over Esson and playing Pavels Mihadjuks out of position in the final game. While it's true that most of the damage was done under Brewster, Butcher certainly played his part. Just because someone has been the "man for the job" in the past, does not mean he always will be or should be in the job for life. Very few managers ever go to a club without it eventually turning sour, or becoming progressively stale and Butcher's time may now be upon us. Not long before he left Motherwell, I remember reading that while many fans did not want to see him fired, they did feel that he had run his course. I believe this may be scenario more and more of us will find ourselves in, in the very near future.

Was there not a study done a couple of years back where they took the population of each town and city, the amount of teams that place has etc, and it came out that ICT did fairly well in regards to the average attendance, compared to the size of the town? Presumably with this season's average attendance, it's probably more in line with every other team in the SPL.

I think if Scotland became independent, we'd have television akin to places like Australia and New Zealand. And I don't mean that in a good way!

The team was - Reguero Some defenders I didn't recognise! Polworth Laing Morrison Blackman Christie Oswell In the second half the left back and Blackman swapped positions. He looks like he has a good touch and is fairly quick, but is a bit greedy.

I thought guessing the result would be more fun! Finished 2-1 to ICT!

First half was quite entertaining and nice to see them trying to play football, albeit in terribly windy conditions. Morrison and Laing looked the pick of the ICT bunch for me, as well as the Kilmarnock numbers 2, 9 and 11, with the number 9 scoring a great goal midway through the second half. All in all, an alright kind of game for this level and even a cameo appearance by Jocky Scott! (It looked like him anyway!)

I think he was a big, tall, baldy bloke that played against Clach.

What is it not the preseason to the Division 1 season? He was here on trial for a little while, and played in a couple of friendlies IIRC. Think he was going to be back-up for Esson, but Butcher went with promoting Kyle Allison instead.

I've heard from people who've been at their games, yes. I'd have County's current defence over ICT's any day of the week!

Actually, I've heard the complete opposite, with County making sure cover is always provided when he moves forward. He's also been MOTM more than once this season.

Where's that panic button gone? I think I'll give that a wee push.....

Aaarrgh! Missed penalty now!

Oh dear. Raven blooper by the sounds of things.

The BBC squad only has six subs, so he must have been put on at the last minute.

Presumably ICT have lined up like this - Esson Raven Warren Meekings G.Shinnie Jones Draper Doran A.Shinnie Foran Sutherland Presumably King is injured and none of the new signings are in the squad. Presumably they were signed too late to be eligible for inclusion in this game? Just said on the radio there that Raven was a "late inclusion for King". He must have been injured in the warm up, with Meekings initially replacing Raven on the right.

HT - MFC 1-1 ICT FT - MFC 2-1 ICT MFC 1st scorer - Higdon ICT 1st scorer - Warren Attendance - 4,112

Templeton's signing for Sevco apparently. What a fool!

I doubt it myself. There's almost enough defenders here now to field a whole team of them! Still none of them look that dominating though (more McCaffreys than Bobby Manns if you know what I mean) and all seem to be a bit of the short side.

One Twitter person says that Celtic left-back Andre Blackman is coming in on loan. He can also pay as a winger apparently.

Jim Spence's Twitter says that ICT are trying to bring a defender. Surely not another one!