Renegade

Harry Stewart - currently in the ICT U19s - South Africa

Esson Tokely Golobart Williams Gillet Tansey Jones Ross McKay Tade Foran Subs - Tuffey, Piermayr, G.Shinnie, Sutherland, Meekings, Winnall, Morrison

The stripes must stay!

Has it not been the case in the past that when ICT and County are in the same league, they seldom had a home game at the same time? I won't be surprised to see a similar thing happen this time round.

In regards to the seating, I wouldn't be surprised personally to see the current away end, to be the County home stand and vice versa.

I can't understand how he's not getting a game myself. He's better than Meekings I reckon (and miles better than Proctor!).

From what I've heard, there's a real lack of motivation in the U19s with some of the players not really caring, leaving those who are more dedicated and ambitious frustrated.

Just watched the highlights, essentially every ICT chance the BBC deemed worthy of inclusion all came from attacks where the ball was kept on the deck. That's more like it - it's far better and far more productive than this kick and rush hoofs we've seen in some of the games this season.

I think a better way of looking at the comparison is to look at where the club was in the relegation season and what the other clubs were at at that time.

I remember thinking at the time that Vigurs had ability, but IIRC it was his attitude that led to Butcher punting him.

We had 17 shot to killies 3 and were by far the better side the only thing we lacked was a ruthless streak as butcher pointed out in his interview we've played much worse than that and won How many of those shots were on target or came anywhere near being goals? Killie were nothing special either and really should've been there for the taking. No different than the team that played rangers? Yeh only winnal, golobart, tokely, and Sutherland? (correct me if Sutherland did play against rangers) it was a totally different side. I meant the attitude and effective-ness of the team. Some thing never change. It's fair to say not everything worked for foran but he wasnt awful, he put in a c**t of a shift today. No player was awful today effective-ness? sorry but against rangers we conceded 4 goals and 20+ shots the defense was definatly more effective thats not to mention our shots. as for the shots on target we had 8 times more than killie. and attitude? did you not see the drive from foran today to get on the end of the corner which led to the goal and get to the through ball to create the one on one which admitidly he should of put away but bell done well aswell. again we are back to the point of foran working his arse off. he led the team magnificently it wasnt about what he done when he got the ball today it was about what he done to get the ball his attitude was top class. he could hardly run by the time he was subbed off. like him or not no one in our squad has more desire than him. '' '' thats contructive. We had 17 shot to killies 3 and were by far the better side the only thing we lacked was a ruthless streak as butcher pointed out in his interview we've played much worse than that and won How many of those shots were on target or came anywhere near being goals? Killie were nothing special either and really should've been there for the taking. No different than the team that played rangers? Yeh only winnal, golobart, tokely, and Sutherland? (correct me if Sutherland did play against rangers) it was a totally different side. I meant the attitude and effective-ness of the team. Some thing never change. It's fair to say not everything worked for foran but he wasnt awful, he put in a c**t of a shift today. No player was awful today effective-ness? sorry but against rangers we conceded 4 goals and 20+ shots the defense was definatly more effective thats not to mention our shots. as for the shots on target we had 8 times more than killie. and attitude? did you not see the drive from foran today to get on the end of the corner which led to the goal and get to the through ball to create the one on one which admitidly he should of put away but bell done well aswell. again we are back to the point of foran working his arse off. he led the team magnificently it wasnt about what he done when he got the ball today it was about what he done to get the ball his attitude was top class. he could hardly run by the time he was subbed off. like him or not no one in our squad has more desire than him. '' '' thats contructive. I'm sorry to go against you mate, but I hardly find a defense that leaks 4 goals but keeps out 20 shots on goal, effective. I see where you're coming from as they kept out the majority, but they should be minimising those chances in the first place. Also I think there's a lot to say against the midfield who let a team through them enough to have that many shots. But I can't back you up on Foran. You can run, put your heart into a game, but it means nothing if you don't actually do anything of menaing. And unfortunately Foran doesn't. The most consistent thing he will do is moan at the ref and his own players. And once again as I've said before, Billy Mckay? About as effective as a mannequin up front. What he said. ^

We had 17 shot to killies 3 and were by far the better side the only thing we lacked was a ruthless streak as butcher pointed out in his interview we've played much worse than that and won How many of those shots were on target or came anywhere near being goals? Killie were nothing special either and really should've been there for the taking. No different than the team that played rangers? Yeh only winnal, golobart, tokely, and Sutherland? (correct me if Sutherland did play against rangers) it was a totally different side. I meant the attitude and effective-ness of the team. Some thing never change. It's fair to say not everything worked for foran but he wasnt awful, he put in a c**t of a shift today. No player was awful today

Can't believe what I'm reading here! Tansey terrific?! Foran brilliant?! They were both awful, in fact a good portion of the team were not good enough. Do they not practice ball control and passing in training? That was a poor display today. And I see it's still kick and rush. No wonder people are turning away from going to games. Out of the team, only Esson, Tokely, Golobart and Tade would get a favourable mark, the rest were not good enough. Is Meekings just on the field to take throw ins? The team's no different to that that got beat by Rangers, and things must change for next season.

Higher maybe. Are injuries the only reason why ICT aren't top six? No. More excuses from Mr Butcher.

I see Butcher reckons today that injuries cost the club a top six place. Aye Terry that's the only reason why, isn't it........?

He's right.

I think there's two things here that are leading to frustration in some quarters. One is that ICT still have yet to achieve a top six finish. The SPL glamour has finally worn off and I think that many people are tired of the bottom six mediocrity that seems to happen every season. The club needs top six and needs it soon. Things have gone stale. The other, is the style of football. What we have to understand here, is that Terry Butcher is a long ball manager. He's done it here, he did it at Brentford, he did at Coventry and it was a big factor in his sacking at Sydney. Many people, and I know I am one of them, are sick of the game being played in the stratosphere. It's not football, it's not what people want to see. Craig Brewster played much the same style and was slaughtered for it - there was none of this "be quiet and look at the positives" attitude that seems to blind many people nowadays towards "dissenters" when he was in charge. I'm also no fan of this "it's Butcher's team and he can do what he likes" way of thinking, in fact, such a statement is absolute rubbish. It's not just Butcher's team - it's ours too. Butcher's got some people eating out of his hand, but take away the media savvyness that he brings, and what do we really have this season? At this point, not a lot.

Gnaka can play at right back (and centre half ) apparently. Also, Gillet was known to play at left midfield for Barnet for a time, hence why I chose him.

A switch to a back three surely can't be any worse, and may give more cover, particularly as Kilmarnock are quite an attack-minded team - Esson Tokely Golobart Williams Gnapka Tansey Jones Foran Gillet Tade McKay Subs - Tuffey, Piermayr, G.Shinnie, Sutherland, Ross, Winnall, Meekings

Surprised to see Tokely back in. Also strange that Williams was dropped, I thought he was okay against Rangers. When's Jones going to get a game? Surely he's better in there than Tansey and Ross. When's Doran back by the way?

My favourite post on the Rangers site was the one that said that Rangers should quit Scottish football, and instead try and join the Portuguese league! :wacko:

Was he not very close to being named Liberia manager a few years ago?

Hayes's one is better I reckon. He picks up the ball deeper and had a lot more opposition players around him.

For a start, I'd like an announcer that can get ICT's players names right. Gnakpa is pronounced Nappa and Owain Tudur Jones, is not Owen Tudor Jones, it's pronounced O-Wine Tid-Ear Jones!

Was his departure not on the cards anyway at some point? I seem to recollect him being quote frank that he wouldn't manage them forever, rather groom his assistant for the managers job when the time was right.