davie

Previous poster said he was a "hunk" ? Of what, wood? He certainly plays like one. He's static, his game sense is poor, his tackiling isnae great and he's anaonymous for loooooong spells. However, Butcher signed = Butcher will play him.

I have sat through worse games, although some of the football was dire. Not, mind you, as dire as the officials (Imrie's booking, why?) Proctor shone, Cox was good Imrie getting there, Foran good again (why the substitution? He certainly wasnae chuffed with it) and Esson saved the jerseys again. Narius solid, but these are about it. Did any one notice how many headers Granty won against Bayne - it was none. Terry needed to swop that one round at HT, put the taller guy in against him but didn't. What was wrong with Roscoe? He looked a shadow of the player he was last season. He looks utterly unhappy. Please remove Sandford from the vicinity, he contributes nothing (apart from yet another opportunity for our "fans" to bitch at each other in public) Oh, and while you're at it get rid of Rooney. He's slow, one dimensional, his decision making and game sense are poor and his finishing was woeful. It could have so different had Proctor's late shot not hit the bar, but that's life. There's no team in this league that's streets better than us, so if we start picking up points it could get markedly better very quickly. Or.........

TBH I'm not a fan. I think he's slow, which is why he always tries to cut inside rather than take his man out wide. He rarely goes at his full back one on one and his game sense is poor. Playing the ball back is always the safer option. He has got a really good left foot cross (no right foot at all) but what's the point if he rarely gets into position to use it?

:afro: Brilliant, just a bit concerned they will be to thick over the bridge to get it. I just want to hear the sound of a few hundred pennies dropping. Mon, Caley D, get them going in time for the game at Mingwall.

If you were a teller in a bank and a customer was abusive would you respond in kind? If you did you'd find yourself out of a job or on a disciplinary at the very least. Butcher has lost the dressing room, the support and now he's lost the plot. Dude, I don't normally disagree with you but I do on this one. Generalisations don't prove anything, and if I was abused to that degree at work, I'd have the guilty removed before it got near responding. Don't suppose TB's got that luxury.

In reply to the OP, you are talking s**te. He literally bled for the team yesterday, and deserves better support than you are capable of.

Words of wisdom mate. If someone can tell me what a singing section is I'd be glad. In my day, the singing section was the whole f**king ground, and it was all the better for it. I'm sick to death of people carping on here about how their bairns are going to be psychologically scarred by hearing the odd sweary word at a football match. DONT FECKIN BRING THEM THEN. Leave them in the playground where they will hear and use exactly the same language. If they want to watch football great - but bring them in full knowledge. I've never come across such a self absorbed support in my life. There is no welcome, no atmosphere and no camaraderie. This remains the only ground anywhere that I've been threatened with assault by a supporter of the same team. So the muppets etc, are a side issue IHE - it's the fans. Full stop.

Don't know about a slippery slope. If you look at things rationally, we are no better and no worse than the majority of clubs in this division and I think that's proved by results. So I don't think we will really know who's going up until April at the earliest. Given that with wins against twa fifers we could be back up there, this might be a tad premature of a time to panic. I an't pro Butcher BTW, I'm pro ICT.

This thread is trash. Vigurs plays for County, I care not what he has said or done. I do care what TB has said though, and I think he's absolutely right in this case. I can think of very few managers who would not have put up with the incessant moaning from the main stand for this length of time. Respect? you've got exactly as much as you deserve mate.

Can the 'vast majority' (not your term to use?) ask that you substitute defend with tolerate? read the posts, absent friend, and tally them up for and against. I did before I used that term, and it's ours to use.

Explain please. Certainly. I'm talking about people like "mainstander" who use euphamisms like "the decent majoraty" (sic) who are being "chased away" through "hatred" from football by the "mindless majoraty" (sic, again) in support of a pretty vacuous argument. From the volume of posts hereabouts, it would seem that "majority" is not his term to use. The vast majority defend the behaviour of fans, even if in occasion it's expressed in words I'd rather not use, and as long is dosn't descend into hatred, bigotry, homophobia or racism. The OP was talking about the fact that the G word was banter, which it patently is and used by the majority around here. So, as long as they keep going to football, people like "mainstander" will be what they are; a non representative minority that are as free as anyone else to voice their opinion. And the big man's right - surely that's enough now. "euphamisms" (sic)?... try "euphEmisms" :D Charles, I was in a hurry and oh dear! I hang my head in shame. :029:

Explain please. Certainly. I'm talking about people like "mainstander" who use euphamisms like "the decent majoraty" (sic) who are being "chased away" through "hatred" from football by the "mindless majoraty" (sic, again) in support of a pretty vacuous argument. From the volume of posts hereabouts, it would seem that "majority" is not his term to use. The vast majority defend the behaviour of fans, even if in occasion it's expressed in words I'd rather not use, and as long is dosn't descend into hatred, bigotry, homophobia or racism. The OP was talking about the fact that the G word was banter, which it patently is and used by the majority around here. So, as long as they keep going to football, people like "mainstander" will be what they are; a non representative minority that are as free as anyone else to voice their opinion. And the big man's right - surely that's enough now.

I'll take that one, although it was a real scraped win. Agree with other posters, thought Esson was immense, Foran good, Hayes good,Cox also. Why does TB persist with Eagles? Poor laddie couldn't do a damn thing right today. Pushed on at the wrong times, dropped off at the wrong times and couldn't tackle. Goal was a cross, but thanks. Interestingly, I asked the steward if I had to sit in the seat on my ticket to be told "you can sit wherever you want, and stand if you want as long as nobody's view is blocked" Obvious cave in MS and the club, so the only result has been humiliating headlines in the press over a non-issue. great.

Ha! I was thinking the same FOI enquiry thing myself. That would give us an accurate scale to the issue, and perhaps give MS something to think about, providing he's not wearing his boring, negative DILLIGAF t-shirt. Oh, it's a permanent tattoo.........BTW, what happens when they sing "I'd rather be a gypsy than a tink"? Form an orderly queue to complain.

Alex, I dearly wish...........

Think i'm just going to go and watch the game live... Charles, for God's sake be careful. You can't use terms like "Zulu" around here..........

One line of "stand up just to **** them off" and I'm there!

Good post Alex. I agree with what you say but nowadays so called pc complaints seem to rarely come from the group concerned whcould have cause to be offended. eg people getting their knickers in a twist re Christmas springs to mind. I'm with you here old girl. I don't see why the threat of the law should be a signal to roll over. There's a fine tradition of resistance in Scotland, but for important stuff like the poll tax or the miners strike, not trivial sh*te like this. And i'm still asking, is "arab" out of bounds? Is "hun" out of bounds? Context you see!

I can argue with that. The club aren't trying to drive the fans away. They are anxious not to fall foul of the law by allowing them to chant what are now, apparently, racist chants.... I don't think they've got any options other than to heed the police advice in this matter. John boy, I don't think that anyone on here is advocating racism. the point that you seem to be consistently missing is that it never needed to come to this. All that it required was an announcement before the game, and a few words of warning to section G. It was the club who upped the ante by responding to what, by their own account, is one written (and therefore uncorroborated) and one verbal (and therefore inadmissable) complaint. It was the club who involved the polis and the club who mixed this issue up with the sitting/ standing in section G issue. The club, and in particular the general manager, doesn't need you as an apologist. All that is happening here is the inevitable and justified backlash when you are silenced by the powers that be on behalf of a minority of one.

Couldn't agree more old girl. Responsibility lies completely with Mike Smith for engineering this over one (and therefore uncorroborated in writing) complaint. I note that in the same paper, Adam Rooney wants the fans to " turn up the volume to drown out the travelling support and (sic) maybe even unnerve their players" According to MS, this is probably incitement.

Yngwie, this is all about context. Being racist implies a malicious attitude towards the group (gypsy, whatever) intended to discriminate and harm. If you have ever seen this in evidence towards County supporters, I'll bu**er off and shut up now. But you haven't. This is banter, pure and simple. It is true that the Law is a blunt instrument in this respect, but it is one that the muppets have picked up sharpish and used against the bairns in section G. On the basis of one admissible complaint? How does it make sense to alienate hundreds on the basis of that? BTW, I don't have a racist bone in my body. If I see racism or discrimination I will fight it, but up front and with common sense. That is what this club patently and arrogantly lacks. I wonder what will happen tomorrow when the inevitable "stand up if you hate Mike Smith" happens? The club will no doubt claim nothing they could do about a situation that they engineered and the fans will suffer again. As usual. BTW if anyone out there, who knows about my other football passion refers to me as an "arab", I shall report them immediately.

I hope the three are happy now, but I really would like to see evidence. Verbal complaints are not generally acted upon by the club (or there would be no stewards left) so why now, and why the young lads? This is vindictive discrimination by the club, acting on one written complaint. I am not happy. I will be going to the game, despite it becoming more and more apparent that the muppets have a death wish for the club and I will make my displeasure known if need be. Again Mike Smith, if you don't like banter then go somewhere where none exists.

Well that clarifies things then. A gobfull of spin (not even from the main protagonist) followed by a vieled threat of action from the polis who are fortuitously independent of the club. I am glad that there is an "understanding of football tradition" when there is patently none. If there was, you would see that this is nothing but parochial regional banter. I presume that the "safety officer" hides behid the same anonymity as those "official complainants" It's football. We like it, it's why we pay good money to go. If you don't like it, with the greatest of all due respect, f**k off somewhelse that you do like, Mike.