lukemackay

These Players should be calling themselves spl players now to lose 4-1 to raith is unacceptable. But that's for them to worry about il just laugh at them in the mean time

Look at it sceptically but not negatively. This guy plays the same level as Conor pepper for Ireland so he already has someone he knows here. And if he's half the prospect pepper is he will do pretty well imo.

Ht: 0-1 Ft: 1-2 First ict: oswell First OPP: sheerin Crowd 999

He's still the 7 time tour de France winner to me.

I'm old school when it comes to this. The harder the better, get the ball and it's fine take the man on the follow through and that's a bonus. Seen nothing in it.

I'm afraid that while I might hint at what I know (and that's a pretty big hint right there), in this case I have agreed not to go into it too much, but the story will probably come in the end and it IS relevant to the discussion. Whether you'd believe it though, no matter who said it or where came from, is another matter... I know exactly what your talking about Renegade but as you say there's no point of going into as the happy clappers wont have a bad word said about anything Butcher does . Are you two the same person?

And I'm telling you from what I saw (a lot more than you) that he was not. Deary me! Your getting away from the point. My point is why are people singling out certain players and not others who havnt been up to scratch either?

I said from what I seen he was awful. And by his standards he was. But that's only half the story. I simply pointed out that essons been poor so far this season and has possibly cost us a couple results. I was simply questioning the mentality of some on here as foran and raven are taking slatings and essons getting off scratch free. If I had it my way everyone would have a win as a team lose as a team mentality, but seems to me certain players are being singled out.

Disagree I'd expect no less from you

Well that might be one, but he was not at fault for any of the goals and had it not been for him, it could well have been six or seven. To say he was "awful" is incorrect. awful by his standards

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He wasn't awful. None of the goals were his fault and it was more of a case of the players in-front of him not being good enough rather than him not instilling confidence in them from what I could see, with Raven and King looking particularly poor, as well as Graeme Shinnie not playing to his normal standard (Warren was okay). I've mentioned that it's a two way thing above. And it's not all on esson, the point I'm making is when is foran get flack for one mistake and esson getting next too none for several this season. I wasn't there but I seen the extended highlights and there were a few instinces where he should of done better. When he came to get the ball from what, didn't get it tried again missed it again, and watt got shot away an almost scored. That's the one the sticks out for me.

Very true. I'm just confused as to why our captain who's put 1 foot out of line in 1 game this season, who was brilliant in pre season is being slaughtered instantly and esson is just getting a "esson made a mistake but well move on" sort of attitude. Seems abit unfair. It's not esson I'm picking at here he's just been unfortunate enough to be the one i used as an example. And I hope that with reguero back fighting fit esson will be looking over his shoulder and will push on like he did when tuffey was pushing him.

Especially in such a tight league. Btw why's no one questioned esson? He's been the worst he's ever been so far. Cost us the win at st mirren. Could he of done better against killie for their goal too? I'm not sure but possibly. Flapped abit at hearts, and was awful today. It's a two way thing the defense has to protect the keeper and the keeper has to give the defense confidence. So far that's been the most worrying issue for me. Not foran, not raven, not butcher but Esson. It's not a "I want him dropped" it's a. "I want him to play aswell as I know he can"

I don't like having little icons that indicate I havnt read it. Just my ocd.

Honestly. What did you expect us to get today? I'm intrigued. If you think that we could get a result at a kanter against Celtic then your deluding yourself. Their a team of full internationals. We are a team of promising youngsters and youth internationals. It is literally a case of men vs boys when we play them.

Some one close this thread. Sickens me whenever I see it come back up.

We've lost an been humped many a time with Munro and Tokely in the team by the old filth. Now they are gone when we enevitably get humped by them without them, it seems people are saying with them we wouldn't of got humped. Bewildering.

Get a grip ferben. All you've done tonight is bitch and moan but when things are going well you have nothing to say. Do one

Ask yourself this, was he disappointed at being subbed or at himself? You've hardly seen him. If your not going to give the team a chance give me your season ticket. Il give it to someone who will support the team.

Why are people comparing king and raven to Munro on Tokely based on a game against Celtic. It's bewildering they arnt full internationals.

I'd agree I know a lot of season ticket holders, but a lot of them wear Celtic tops, in pe or are more passionate about the premiership than us. Il openly say I followed rangers for years because my dad is a rangers but I got a caley season ticket off my own back and I havnt looked back and now I despise everything about rangers. (the rangers) I know many that are the same. Dinne worry Luke I followed Rangers in my yoof too. Then I grew up ;) We all wise up eventually.

Gavin Morrison? Not sure bout that. Messi, xavi, iniesta, are they big? They have bigger builds than nick ross. Dont get me wrong i think ross is a good player but he needs to get some muscles so he doesnt get pushed off the ball as much I wouldn't want nick to bulk up now. He's a neat and tidy player amd can pick a pass. He's naturally gifted, with a turn of pace to. So I'd argue that if he bulked up this could affect his overall game. Wouldn't want to risk it. Against Celtic he'll struggle to flourish. The whole team are virtually internationals so no need to worry about this result. Let's look to see how nick does against motherwell

I'd agree I know a lot of season ticket holders, but a lot of them wear Celtic tops, in pe or are more passionate about the premiership than us. Il openly say I followed rangers for years because my dad is a rangers but I got a caley season ticket off my own back and I havnt looked back and now I despise everything about rangers. (the rangers) I know many that are the same.

Gavin Morrison? Not sure bout that. Messi, xavi, iniesta, are they big?