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@NathanMackenz1: Devine has got a second for #ICTFC with a close range tap in at the front post from a Doran corner. 2-0 ICT @NathanMackenz1: McKay denied a goal. Ruled offside. Looked close from where I'm standing. @NathanMackenz1: Nick Ross with a half volley on the edge of the box has given ICT a third. 3-0 #ICTFC

@NathanMackenz1: Greg Tansey has given #ICTFC the lead with a curler into the top corner from 35 yards. 1-0 ICT

Most outsiders couch their opinions in more temperate language, because it does the pro-independence side no good at all to have anyone being so blatantly abusive, and they realise that there is a propensity on both sides to take offence at everything which could even remotely be construed as offensive. Unfortunately, the MSM only listens to, and reports on, what NO supporters consider the offensive comments of YES supporters, and blows them up out of all proportion, hence the almost obsessive ranting against Cybernats as opposed to even gently censuring the insults emanating from pro-Union politicians and high heed yins or looking at the kind of abuse by supporters of the No campaign, contained within the likes of twitter, as typified in the BritNatAbuseBot. So using terms like spineless cowards or beggars etc to describe the generality of those who are voting NO, for various reasons that nobody but those people are aware,are both insulting and counter-productive, just as is that of the pro-Union side, with their descriptions of pro-independence supporters as fascists, nazis, cybernats etc, and the personal abuse directed against the elected FM of Scotland. You tend to find, out and about, that a lot of those who are not voting YES because of stuff like "I don't like Alex Salmond/SNP" or for one specific reason which has nothing to do with the independence concept, but relies on future party policies are making excuses for a decision they have already made. Into the bargain, abuse against NO voters is insulting to me and my family, because while some of them will vote YES, others will currently either vote NO or abstain altogether.......and none of them are spineless cowards or beggars.....or any of the other epithets used to describe NO voters in these last few posts in response to your original one. Three of them are British first, before Scottish, if they even think of themselves as Scottish at all.....all born before and during WWII, and brought up to think of themselves as British. That view of themselves is their norm and has been since the 1930s/1940s....and there is no changing it.....and believe me I have tried in the past. But they are not voting, in their opinion, against something, but for something which is not the same something as that against which many in our extended families will be placing their cross. That is not cowardice in an extended family of, afaik, predominantly YES voters.....that is courage..and I respect that. You may not..but it is easy to have opinions when you don't live here and will not be one of those having, regardless of the vote result, to maintain relationships with family, friends and the wider community following an extremely rancorous and vituperative debate, fuelled, and I make no apologies for my opinion, by the negativity and language used by those running the No Campaign. I myself have been known to say that people who read and listen to the "news" produced in/by the MSM, and believe every word of it, are terminally stupid..which, while intemperate, does at least differentiate people like my cousins, who would vote NO if Utopia was guaranteed with a YES vote, or those who are still undecided and searching for answers, from those who still, on forums and elsewhere, repeat already debunked information as fact, because it is still being reproduced in some newspaper, and sneer at those who would vote YES on that basis. An attempt at differentiation, though, still doesn't stop those who read and listen to the "news" produced in/by the MSM, and believe every word of it, from being offended.....and saying that I am denigrating all pro-Union supporters. I'm going to stop digging the hole for myself I started in that last paragraph.....and it would be really good if outsiders.and even insiders, on both sides, stopped digging holes for us all to have to spend time, better used in debate/discussion, on attempts at damage limitation. Neither side, unfortunately can do much about twitter which seems to attract some of the most irrational people in the world.....but I do find it somewhat hypocritical for the NBTT campaign to be insisting, all over the media, that Alex Salmond controls/is to be held responsible for all the eejits on the YES side, even though he does not lead the Yes Campaign......but no such demand is being made all over the media of Cameron.or, even, if it comes to that, Darling, who does lead the No Campaign.

One of the main reasons I withdrew from this thread several months ago was that, apart from the conspicuous exception of a couple of individuals who have always been entirely courteous, the quality and tone of the pro-Separatist comment has degenerated into little more than abject Cybernattery. Long experience of ovserving the SNP and fellow travellers tells me that such behaviour is par for the course, along with the rather puerile mass posting up of stickers and placards to make it look as if their support is a lot greater than it really is. By "a couple of individuals" who have been commendably gracious in their presentations, I would specifically mention Alex MacLeod who has always posted his views in very civilised terms, as has Oddquine - albeit somewhat more longwindedly and with the odd hint of not being very keen on "Westminster", "Whitehall" or "London" or whatever SNP High Command's euphemism of the day for "the English" happens to be. Doofers Dad's largely neutral views have also been outstanding. Otherwise, comment has degenerated into more and more embittered and intolerant rhetoric on the part of a caucus of arrogant, self righteous Ultranats who seem to think theirs is the only view which should be tolerated and that anyone otherwise minded should be regarded as some form of Untermenschen. But, as has been commented by other posters in recent weeks, keep up the good work lads. Your comments and the manner in which you express them, are a huge asset to Better Together. In fact it's almost in the same league as the hairy guy swathed in tartan, looking like an unemployed extra from Brigadoon and with a targe on his back proclaiming "Aye" who wanders the streets of Inverness and joins Yes Scotland canvassers in the High Street. A veritable modern day Willie Bell More seriously... it's people and comments like this who make the future of Scotland after any yes vote look chillingly dystopian. So if my withdrawal from this forum has contributed to its degeneration into an increaingly embittered discussion only among Separatists, then I am glad to have made my contribution to saving Great Britain in this manner. The more undecided voters who log on here the better. Time to withdraw again then....

Starchief, I prefer to think of my "speculation" as logic...the same logic which had me saying from the very beginning of all this, on a question (which is still being repeated ad nauseam by people who simply don't want to hear the response) ie "who will be paying the state pension I live on now if we go independent"? I have always that it would be the responsibility of the UK government to pay all, or part of all, pensions for those who have paid NI into the UK system, up until Independence day, so someone already retired will receive the pension they already receive, and anyone who has not yet retired, but has paid NI in the UK would receive that proportion of their pension from the rUK. This has been confirmed, specifically, by Westminster ministers, not so long ago...but we still see people asking the same question. We don't know the mechanisms by which it will work, of course, because that would be a subject to be negotiated, but we do know that, despite still Westminster fear mongering on pensions...that the rUK will be paying mine till I die, and part of my grandson's until he does. The only uncertainty over pensions after independence is the uncertainty over the future finances of a UK without Scotland's input given, there is a £5 trillion unfunded pension debt. Re currency...we all know the available currency options......Sterling, Euro or Own Currency.....and we all know that come May 2016, there may well be a different Government to the SNP in Scotland post election......and we all know about the requirements of the Edinburgh Agreement. So logically, and however much I dislike the idea, a relatively short-term negotiated Currency Union would fulfill the requirements of the Edinburgh Agreement, and give some certainty for at least the first term of iScotland/rUK Governments. As the Euro is simply not an option in the short term, given the need to negotiate with the EU and the time lag between that and meeting the convergence criteria, if we decide to do so. Similarly, having our own currency, which would be my preferred longer-term option, is well down the list of essentials to be in place as soon as possible. It took Ireland seven years, I think, after independence, to introduce the punt and set up a currency board pegged 1 to 1 with the pound (again my preferred option, at least initially). There is always the option of having our own currency with a free floating or fixed exchange rate policy, which would give us full control of our monetary policy, not available with the other options, but that would require the setting up of some kind of Central Bank, which would not be in place by 2016. Ergo, as the Euro and our own currency are longer term options to be considered/prepared for by an elected Scottish Government, post 2016, that only leaves the option of using Sterling in the short term.....and failing the currently preferred option of the Fiscal Commission Working Group for a Currency Union, that means using sterling without a formal Union. (ie Sterlingisation). Can't see that that is speculation, just logical deduction.

Good work, you certainly have a talent for composing tv footage, I think you could be a great asset to the club this season.

At least if you planted a palm tree somewhere on the pitch, it would sometimes be in the right position!