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Where are the fans when the club needs them? Reduced attendances, reduced ticket sales, reduced income from commercial! The reality is that this is happening to all clubs. The team which finished third and are in europe have a £200k reduction in their wage budget ('punishment' for failing to sell a player for reasonable return)! The reality is that the investment has more to do with dealing with last season's losses than this coming season's incoming players.

You forget that it seems to be a badge of honour not to have renewed your season ticket...............................................and then wonder why the playing budget is being cut? Apparently the club are responsible for all the ills of Scottish football at the moment and should be 'punished' accordingly

They may well have been on a fraction of the wages Tokely was on and hence more scope to make an improved offer

Falling attendances, lower season ticket sales, even long term sponsors pulling out from renewing their hospitality box all means that there is simply less money for wages. Does this equate to disrespect? Not convinced. Genuine thanks for the service over the years however the reality is that a fixed sum of money has to be maximised throughout the squad. Best of luck for the future!

This may well be the latest in a long line of mistakes by people connected with or involved in the running of the club. The reality is that FIFA are unlikely to accept a precedent being create for a club of a member organisation taking action through ordinary legal process and are very likely to put pressure on the SFA to take serious action against the club to send a clear message. The loss of income from Scotland being excluded from World Cup qualifiers, etc may well prove too much of a factor for this to go without the sanction of suspension or less likley expulsion. Time to read the SFA articles re taking action through the courts.

Suspect that he will head east if he leaves. His wife started a job in Aberdeen at xmas (Peterhead most likely?)

After his recent altercation in training and after lunch with our blued eyed Captain I don't think Butcher will be asking him back!

Fans was Ryan Esson Players was Graeme Shinnie Really poor number of 'fans' stayed behind after the game to see this (appreciate that some have to leave, however..................)

I have to agree that Tansey was very good yesterday. This season he has rarely been poor just very ordinary. My view of his potential was definately changed in the testimonial game against County where he and Morrison bossed the midfled (aided by Nick) and he showed a range of passing and composure which was different than most games this year. We saw this again yesterday with four passes which would have had commentators salivating if they came from higher profile players/teams. Without trying to be too critical, MacKay again showed that we need someone up front to lead the line. Even when he had time and space he rarely found a team mate with a pass. He is a very useful player when he has the ball at his feet and moving to goal and I am not suggesting that he does not have some potential. His movement inside the box is not that of a goal scorer either. Can't fault his efforts however and he did set up Tansey for the penalty with some nice play when surrounded by three players. I wish we had tried to give Shane some more time as striker to see if he can develop into this position. He is not really a wide player though does show nice skills on occasions.

I thought Piermayr showed again yesterday that he is by far a better right back than Meekings.

Not really surprised he's spouting that sort of drivel TBH. To my eyes it seems he's more of a Rangers man than a Caley Thistle man. Disappointing that a manager of ICT is pandering to 'ra peepul' but I suppose he's just looking after his own interests. The cringe inducing love-in with Mr McCoist before the 1-4 match was a low point, this is lower. If I was Terry I'd concentrate less on maintaining his rangers legend status and more on doing a better job for his current employers. This coming season is going to be very feckin important to ICT, we could have a great season finishing above county (a must) and maybe a decent cup run and league position... but if this fella doesn't get it right we could get relegated. Get yer eye on the ball TB, Rangers are finished and you're at a club with great potential - sort it out min. Butcher stated a clear fact in the interview that without the money generated from the old firm (and he did mentioned Celtic as will as Rangers in the interview) the club will have to cut its cloth accordingly. As can be seen from responses to a thread started by Caley D there is little appetite from supporters for replacing the money which the club will lose from Rangers being in the league. Whilst not trying to be an apologist for Butcher, there is nothing in the interview which can be construed as being anything other than stating the bloody obvious

I see that it is being reported that Miller was receiving countless abusive emails. Quality! Will the alleged Rangers fans ever get it? No humility, no class, no respect!

So the 10% discount for the first season back in the SPL (for season ticket holders in the First Division) does not count?

Adult prices are £525 to £595 though

With season tickets, merchandising etc do the ordinary fans not invest enough? Only each of us can answer this. Expectations as to what can be achieved need to be aligned to the income of the club. The point that Caley D seems to making is that the impact of 'integrity' may be for the club to take a financial hit. Is this acceptable to the fans if this leads to increases in costs or reduction in player budgets? Perhaps. The alternative to a reduction in budgets is for the club to incur debt and the calls will come for investment to be made to offset this, however this investment should be by 'others'

It always amuses me that fans always seem to call for shareholders/board members to invest more in the club, but always when asked refuse to invest anything additional themselves

Good pieces from both Waddell and Keevins today in the Sunday Mail. Rangers continue to simply not accept that they have done anything wrong and hit out at everybody else for daring to punish them for their actions. We all know the financial reality of the old firm's presence, however it does force the question to be asked whether it is worth settling aside every rule and principal just to keep them in the SPL.

It is amazing that many Rangers staff and fans still seem to think that they can divorce the club from any wrong doing. Multiple allegations exist of dubious practices prior to their current major shareholder coming on the scene, however this apparently should be swept under the blue rug with the suggestion that everything should be blamed on Whyte and Rangers Football Club should get away without any punishment. An independent panel make a decision and as per usual there is no humility shown in immediately suggesting that boycots of all other teams, Scotland matches and even official sponsors should take place. Even the Administrator seems to infer that they should get off with minimal punishment as we apparently cannot survive without them. Whilst there may be an element of truth in this, how much more of this circus are we expected to take before we come to the conclusion that life without one of the poisoned 'big clubs' may actually be better even with the potential reduced incomes.

If he has genuine reasons for not being present, would it be too much to expect him to have said in advance that he was sorry that he could not be present and wish the two players well? In spite of his personal or professional opinions of the players and their value to the team (I actually have no real issue with the idea that we needed to move on from Grant and Russell), as the current Manager of the club (and the Manager during the latter stage of their time with the club) it is at the very least his duty to publicly thank the players on behalf of the club for their efforts (hence the reason for the testimonial in the first place).

Good games in both first and second half. Shane up front caused no ends of problems with Tansey, Ross and Gavin 'bossing' the midfield even when County changed to pretty much their first team. Rossco was a man mountain and showed how much the game meant to him even if only a friendly. The day has unfortuantely been tarnished by the failure of Butcher and Malpas to make an appearance. In the past I have tried to stick up for these guys, however they have disgraced the club, shown a lack of respect for loyal servants to the club and embarassed themselves in front of many of the fans. After the joke that his second half tactics were yesterday, perhaps we should ask out goalkeeping coach to take over for the next game

Positives - Doran returning from injury Negatives - Too many players lack basic abilities - 'Planet Butcher' tactics (Tade shoved wide when clearly he was cauing Dons defense problems, then replaced???, then Williams moved forward (ultimately it was him losing the ball after a good run from Shane which led to 2nd goal)) - When do professional footballers realise that to score a goal a shot must be on target - not a single shot on target in the second half At the moment I think that many season ticket holders will simply not renew next season

Maybe they should have a different fund raising initiative.........................................perhaps selling pegs or white heather

A mature, well rounded, constructive post

In reality our season last year was made falsely better by a good start and a good finished. We barely picked up a point from November to March.