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widening would be my word :symbol_exclaim01: [the rest of this posting is made as a supporter and shareholder of ICTFC and not in any official capacity as site publisher/founder.] Forget about the rights and wrongs for a moment, the he-said he-said conversations, or even the blame game - what is needed is constructive criticism and suggestions on how to put it right ............ The crux of the matter is that the club want to inflict the letter of the law on everyone (perhaps I should say SPL rules or SPL guidelines as they are not laws). It would seem that in the club's mind there is no room for any flexibility and yet the consistency in the application of these rules/guidelines between different sections of the stadium or even by different stewards is still not there. If the application of the rules across the board was consistent no-one could complain but quite simply it is not. It looks fairly evident (IMHO) that certain sections of the crowd, certain demographics and even certain individuals have been targetted for whatever reason and this is wrong, wrong, wrong. I mean this as no slight to the current match commander, who - in his own area of specialty - has produced a healthy and excellent set of accounts, but to the best of my knowledge has no background in crowd control or security. He quite simply should not be put in a position where he has to deal with an aspect of the matchday that requires specialised training. I have no idea what currently occurs in the control room, but if I were put in his position, then I too might err on the side of caution in applying the rules to the letter as opposed to someone such as John Sutherland who has had years of training and experience and can use all of that skill and knowledge as well as the rules to make sure things are done fairly, consistently and with at least a modicum of common sense. The SPL's own guideline to clubs acknowledges that one aspect of dealing with "unacceptable conduct" is to work with supporters in identifying what is and is not acceptable and further suggests that this should go on continuously. The other parts are in preventing and dealing with incidents (which explains things like pro-active ticket checks and post-match stadium bans). The club do seem to be applying some of these guidelines, but I do not recall anyone "working with" supporters recently to identifyacceptable/unacceptable limits. Issuing statements or edicts is not "working with", it is "talking at" .... The fans are not blameless either. We have seen it on here in recent weeks where some supporters think that "anything goes" and any attempt by stewards to apply rules and guidelines the club have agreed to abide by as part of their SPL membership, or things that are legitimate Health and Safety issues are met with claims of heavy handedness. There may have been some, but accept the fact that sometimes it is the fans' fault - like sitting on a wall, or in someone else's seat and getting pissed off when the person whose seat it is asks you to move. personally, I wouldnt have asked you, I would have horsed you off my seat (and then joined in with the singing !) The end result - the club gets more and more officious in applying the rules, some fans get more and more belligerent in ignoring the rules and it reaches an impasse where we have bans, ejections, claims of heavy handedness by stewards, and counter claims of bad/drunken behaviour by fans ..... Both the club and the fans have to realise this is an issue that needs to be resolved. The current state of play is doing no-one any good. Here are my suggestions .... 1. (CLUB) : Employ a qualified security officer / match commander with the relevant experience. 2. (CLUB) : Ensure that this security officer actually holds a meeting with fans to discuss security and the guidelines and updates things continuously as suggested by SPL themselves. There doesnt have to be a meeting every time something minor happens, but they could perhaps have a column on the official website, they could comment on here if they wanted (Q&A sessions or forum), or they could hold meetings regularly with the trust. Work with the fans, dont talk at them. 3. (FANS) : Ask for (and hopefully receive) assurances that any and all policies will be applied consistently and fairly throughout the ground. This is crucial as there is nothing more galling than getting a hard time for something and then seeing large swathes of the away support being left alone to do the very same thing. "But they are doing it" may not be a valid excuse for bad bahaviour, but it does annoy you when you see it happening. 4. (CLUB) : Ask stewards to take a more common sense and customer oriented approach. Politeness costs nothing, and if you start off polite rather than agressive, the end result is frequently positive and confrontation-less. It wont always work and they may need to be more firm, but starting polite and moving to firm gives you a **** of a lot more options than starting firm or agressive and having nowhere to move to after that. 5. (CLUB) : if complaints come in about certain stewards, please investigate and make a decision based on the evidence. Do not automatically assume the steward is in the right because they are a steward ! Also - if you have promised a supporter that a particular steward "will never work here again", perhaps you should stick to that. 6. (FANS) : Realise that there are rules that the club has to work to and that they have no option but to apply them. If you are asked to sit down by a steward or the police, then quite simply you have no option but to comply as its in the rules. You may not like it (and we know most fans dont) but if you want to change the rules, then speak to the SPL or join one of the many campaigns going around - the club cant change it on their own. 7. (FANS) : Self-Police ! If someone is doing something dodgy thats going to bring the wrath of the stewards down upon the section then (collectively) have a word get them to stop doing it. Its far more preferable to organise/control the behaviour within ourselves rather than letting it get out of hand so that stewards/police become involved as that invariably leads to hassle, arrests and now, it would seem, automatic stadium bans. I am not saying dont enjoy - just realise the limits and dont try to push them quite so much ! If we can do this, the club may give us more leeway ! anyway - those are some of my suggestions - part based on my experience of dealing both with supporters and club officials and also part inspired by how the "U-Sector" group of fans at Toronto FC games liaise with the club and try to self-police themselves.

Wanderer - too much Maotai or Yellow Wine perhaps ?

BBC are only allowed to show something like 2 minutes of each game and 20 minutes of their main game - its in the rights agreement

maybe a year on club website but try nearly three years in all !!!

Dan's funeral takes place tomorrow (Wednesday) at Inverness Crematorium at 2.30pm. Only family flowers requested. Jim Falconer will be there to represent the Club.

next match = blue border last match = red border same as its always been

as is this and for those that go on P&B, this is also good

:003: grassy *** - great goals .

only available to viewers in UK :008: :019:

Personally, I have always been of the opinion that Charlie Christie was a great player, and a thoroughly decent bloke. He was thrust into management when he didnt really want it, but the lure of managing a team he had been with since it was formed, as well as persuasion and good words about his ability from people in the game he himself trusted and admired made him take the job. The stats show that Charlie didnt do a bad job, his record was as good as the other two who had managed us in the SPL (JR & CB) but the very slow start to this season and - if we believe what we hear - behind the scenes politics as well as family pressures became too much for him in the end. He is and always will be an ICT legend. Brewster has made an immediate impact, that cannot be doubted. 6 games, 4 wins, 2 defeats, and for the last 3 games, perhaps more, a flair about the side that is encouraging. There is a long way to go and this could be a false dawn but how is it that he is getting so much more from the very same players ? For me, I think it is two-fold. Firstly, I dont think Charlie was as ruthless as Brewster can be and certain players may have taken their places for granted and just gone through the motions. Secondly, and no-one ever disagreed about this, Brewster is a fitness nut and this was an area where we were starting to look like we had lost it a little. Combine these two factors along with the notion that everyone has a clean slate (Morgan for example) and we see a team that is now scrapping for points the way it used to and players who know that they have to perform or they dont play. A little bit of luck as previous posters have said also helps !!!

For once in his life (or maybe a few more times than that) I think you will find that the post attributed to the "web persona" called Immortal Howden Ender [iHE], is actually from the "real person", Johndo. He has not come on blaming everyone but himself for the situation he found himself in, he has put his hands up to his behaviour being a reaction to what was said to him especially given his apparent selection as a person who should be targetted for removal. I am sure he is also big enough and ugly enough to deal with whatever repercussions there may be. Plenty of people have expressed support for him and have borne witness as to their opinion of his demeanour, behaviour, and level (or lack thereof) of intoxication. If Johndo has been charged, I would caution people to be careful in what is said as it is a 'criminal matter' until such time as it has been dealt with. Moderators can and will edit/remove postings if required in the same way as we had to do with both the Richie Hart and the recent Arbroath incidents. I would recommend that you contact Johndo privately if you have anything legitimate to say to him that could be used in his defence rather than openly state it on here.

Falkirk's goals came from Arfield and Milne ... when did we sign them ? ICT 0-3 Rangers (0 og / 0 pen) Well 2-1 ICT (0 og / 1 pen) St Mirren 2-1 ICT (0 og / 0 pen) ICT 0-3 Dundee Utd (0 og / 2 pens) ICT 3-1 Arbroath (0 og / 0 pen) Hibs 1-0 ICT (0 og / 1 pen) Celtic 5-0 ICT (1 og / 0 pen) ICT 2-1 Hearts (1 og / 0 pen) ICT 3-0 Gretna (0 og / 0 pen) ICT 4-2 Falkirk (0 og / 0 pen) So out of 20 goals scored against us this season - 4 have been from penalties and 2 have been own goals, Dont think that constitutes "half" or even "nearly half"

This is all very encouraging to hear. We were quick to lambast him when he did have a poor attitude or exhibited extreme petulance so fair play to him for knuckling down and letting his skill do the talking instead of his gob .... long may it continue.

Denzil's on fire ... who said he was sheeite :015: 4-2 now what a day for a feckin radio blackout ... the BBC didnt even bother letting us listen to the half time reports (which they normally do) - just left the "...for contractual reasons, we cannot bring you this program ..." loop playing endlessly.

there is none - I have ranted about this at length but its a bloody joke. The solution ... ICT need to get their own media rights up and running EVERY other PTV site has it !!!!!

Nice one Denzil :015: :015: :015: No coverage outside UK today for ANY match !!! Motherwell V Rangers - [Rangers use their own media rights on website and block BBC] Aberdeen V Gretna - [Aberdeen use their own media rights on website and block BBC] Celtic V Dundee Utd - [Celtic use their own media rights on website and block BBC] ICT V Falkirk - [Falkirk use their own media rights on website and block BBC] Hibs V Kilmarnock [both clubs use their own media rights on website although only Killie block BBC] St Mirren V Hearts - [Hearts use their own media rights on website but only block BBC when playing at Tynecastle]

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I was beginning to type a similar response but then stopped myself after thinking about it. The club used to do it but stopped when they were faced with a minute's silence almost every week !!! Sometimes it was legitimate, being for officials or employees, or former players of one of the clubs but at other times it was for public figures, politicians, or even for fans with at best a tenuous link to the club. Initially, I was all for saying that it should be done on a case-by-case basis but who should decide whether this fan or that fan was a good fan, deserving of such an honour, and which fan's families should be refused because we cant do it every week ? I think - as hard as it may seem - that a program entry and no minute's silence is appropriate

Wouldn't dream of moving it ! I believe Dr Smith was also assisted by Derick MacLeod in trying to save him. Sad indeed that he didnt make it. Condolences to his family.

ok, can we get back on-topic now ? another thing that bugs me is threads getting taken off-topic :004:

with or without a mirror ? :010:

1. ok thats one of the two admins upset .... (the other agrees with you) 2. ok thats one of the mods upset .... (the others probably agree with you too) 3. ok thats the rest of the mods/admins upset .... just leaves Guzz and Maimie on your side :015: :015: :015:

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could have been .... I bumped into this guy outside Toronto FC's stadium !!!!! Maybe not that surprising as he is a well know Sheff Wed fan !

nothing in there now anyway - we stopped adding pictures as an article and moved them all to gallery ........ will disable the link. however - to give you an answer on why that message appears it is because you are not logged into the main site. When we were having our major brainfart problem we decided to make all pages on the main site "public" pages so no more pages that are only viewable by registered users. Because of this we removed the login box on the main site and just left it on the forum. I will add a login box back to the very bottom of the page on the homepage only - just in case anyone gets this problem again - but please note, it will not log you into the forum as one of the speed issues we encountered was because of the integration between site and forum logins and we removed that !