Renegade

Whatever happened in regards to Alan Gow?

I'm not a happy clapper. When did I suggest we should've applauded them off? After that first half showing, I certainly wasn't going to be applauding them off. At the risk of sounding like Yogi, we've got a good, honest group of professionals and they themselves know that first half showing wasn't good enough. Do you honestly think they need a chorus of boos to tell them that? Booing them off the park can't do their confidence any good and I personally can't see what can be gained from it? Exactly, they're professionals not wee boys - I'm sure they'll get over it. Spectators always see more of the game and had every right to boo that, because simply it was a disgrace and the players deserved to know it. The booing can't have been that demoralising though considering the turn around in the second half!

After 45 minutes? Absolutely. Putting ourselves under pressure, playing horrible lifeless football, yet a style we've waited for for years! The fact we're third and playing in a match against our closest rivals and a bottom of the league actually makes it even worse! The fans who booed were absolutely right to show their frustration after watching 45 minutes of that garbage and thankfully the players and coaches got the message. Maybe these happy clappers who think that we should have given them a rapturous applause and skipped around merrily at half time, while thinking that those who were rightly frustrated should go and watch the Old Firm, should ask themselves whether or not football is for them. Maybe they'd be more suited to watching Cbeebies.

The fans have paid money to watch that. For that performance the players deserved it IMO.

Heard today we are signing him.

The impression I got was the North Stand was slightly fuller than usual, while the Main Stand was just as usual. The away support was absolutely shocking though, that was an embarrassment to their team.

I see Michael Appleton who was linked (applied?) for the job when Butcher left is now manager of Oxford United. Saw him on TV just now!

HT - ICT 1-1 Ross County FT - ICT 2-1 Ross County ICT 1st scorer - Watkins Ross County 1st scorer - Boyce Time of 1st Goal - 31 1st Yellow - Raven

Where did I call you a hypocrite? Also, as I said earlier in the thread, maybe if you reviewed your own posting style and attitude towards others these "attacks" wouldn't arise. Don't forget, you're somebody who called Scots "bigots" for not supporting England a wee while ago. Such antagonistic statements isn't exactly going to make you Mr Popular, is it? You get awfully upset about "personal" attacks, yet you're quite happy to dismiss other people's lives as being "humdrum" as if yours is so superior. Sounds to me like the pot's calling the kettle black. Let's have a look at your "Dead in the Water" statement though. You claim the SNP have no leader. This is utter rubbish and you know it. They have a leader - Alex Salmond. You claim they have no money. Their massive amount of new fee paying members, on top of those they already had suggests that they do have money....and lots of it. Finally you claim they have "no future". This is party which opinion polls suggest are going to make big gains in the next general election, as well as being predicted to win the Scottish Parliament election next time as well. Remember as well, a year ago, Yes was polling in some places around 25%. In the end it got 45%, a surge in support if there ever was one. Just because 2,000,000 voted No this time, doesn't mean it's over forever, nor does it mean that people who voted No this time would do so again next time. Yes was beaten this time around, but "dead in the water"? Don't talk rubbish!

Interesting point actually. Maybe the best thing that could happen to this fixture is County (or ourselves! ) being relegated and spending a couple of seasons apart. It's never really been a bitter, nasty derby like some, but I don't sense the same excitement about it now that I have for some of the earlier Premiership ones.

Take consolation from the fact that if they had anything worth saying, they would say it. A lack of respect for other posters is the refuge of those who don't like what you're saying but can't argue against it. To be quite honest, that statement sums up Laurence perfectly. People can put forward any viewpoints they like, but they need to be backed up. The vast majority of his are ill-informed ramblings. The "SNP have no future and no money" statement being a prime example. I think the main thing that turns people off though, is not his political views at all. It's the manner he comes across. I don't know if it's intentional, but in the vast majority of his posts, he comes across as very arrogant and condescending, almost at times talking down to us, as if we Scots are lesser people than him. While it is wrong to attack people's personal lives, maybe if he refrained from bringing his personal life into everything, such "attacks" would never have started in the first place.

Laurence in talking rubbish shocker!

And how would this have prevented the two goals down to defensive errors today?? Had Warren not attempted a cushion headed backpass, the first goal could have been avoided. Or the third goal.

Didn't we come from behind to beat Dundee United in the League Cup last season? Butcher was manager then. He got sent off that night.

I was always under the impression Aberdeen was a Category A match.

I see Billy McKinley who applied for the job when Butcher left, is the new head coach at Watford.

1. Kilmarnock is a fraction of the distance to Glasgow Inverness is and Perth is a lot closer too. Obviously they would take more. St Johnstone's final was a Scottish Cup final. How do we know the fans won't turn up for us at that considering we've never been there? The same goes for Europe. 2. We're talking about home matches, not cup finals. Does this massive support turn up for league matches even when they're doing well? Not really. Seen as St J or Kilmarnock have not been top of the league in my memory how do we know they won't? P.s St J v Luzern in Perth earlier this year was a crowd of 8486. Looks like crowds go when they do well. Everyone knows people will come of the woodwork for big one-off novelties. Getting these people to come more regularly for normal games is what clubs like ours are all trying to do.

1. Kilmarnock is a fraction of the distance to Glasgow Inverness is and Perth is a lot closer too. Obviously they would take more. St Johnstone's final was a Scottish Cup final. How do we know the fans won't turn up for us at that considering we've never been there? The same goes for Europe. 2. We're talking about home matches, not cup finals. Does this massive support turn up for league matches even when they're doing well? Not really.

I can only ever remember Paterson being the only name in the frame! I think we pretty much had our sights set on Pele and he was going to be the one. I don't think Huntly welcomed our approach as they were hugely successful under Paterson - but he wanted to come here - and that was that! According to this months programme, the ex-Blackburn and Fulham manager Don Mackay was in the running along with the Pele. Got Dundee promoted about a decade before that and later went on to manage Airdrieonians. Might have been an interesting choice actually. Also, I think Malpas applied for it when Butcher got it. That would make him as applied at least twice for the job and turn it down when he was finally offered it years later! Also, was Ian McCall not strongly linked with us once when he was at Partick? Don't think I'd have fancied him getting it to be honest.

HT - Aberdeen 1-0 ICT FT - Aberdeen 1-1 ICT Aberdeen 1st scorer - Flood ICT 1st scorer - Watkins Time of 1st Goal - 39

Crowds dropping is nothing that's unique to us and one of the reasons I've never really bought this "we're a new club so we don't have generations of fans" argument. If it was all about how old the club was, the likes of Kilmarnock and St Johnstone, would be attracting 7,000+ to every game and formerly big supported clubs like Clyde and Queens Park wouldn't be out in the wilderness, attracting a few hundred to every match. Lets be honest though, prices are too high and that's across the board in Scotland and it's even worse down south. People can throw around the "we're top of league" and "we're playing good football" arguments until they're blue in the face, but the fact of the matter is, £25 to sit in the North Stand and watch ICT play Aberdeen is far too much for the standard of Scottish football and £30 for the Main Stand is quite simply a rip off. I know it's been done to death as well, but the location and design of the stadium has never helped matters. If we lived in Florida or Australia or somewhere like that, then it would be great, but the fact of the matter is, any stadium right on the seafront in Britain is going to be cold for three-quarters of the football season. Why wasn't this considered at the time? Places near the sea are cold and windy. People, especially old people, don't want to sit in places that are cold and windy. It's not rocket science. The design is also something that should've been looked into at the time. McDiarmid Park was supposedly based on Ibrox, why didn't people from ICT go to lots of different grounds prior to the Caley Stadium being built to see what worked and what didn't? We're far from the pitch, in a openly designed stadium in a location where it's usually cold and windy. Not exactly enticing is it? Around where I sit I can think of quite a few people who have stopped going to matches over the last few seasons. Maybe in all these good intentioned efforts to entice more people was done while taking those who were already there for granted. Maybe the time has come to accept the crowds for what they are and try and maintain the regular fans we already have. What about creating some kind of incentive to make them stay. Three consecutive season tickets and then a free one for example? And what about the dwindling away supports? What about allowing season ticket holders of opposition clubs in for a discount as well? Match experience must surely come into play here. Someone earlier mentioned MK Dons and match experience at events in North America. These are both good suggestions. I've heard that teams like the Braehead Clan do match experience very well, particularly for a minority sport. Why don't we bring the person in charge of that to the Caley Stadium and allow them to sample our match experience? And when I say bring them to the stadium, I don't mean sticking them in a warm and cosy director's box, I mean sticking them with a normal seat in the North Stand. Maybe bringing in from the outside would be the best thing we could do.

^^^^^^^^ Fun at parties. Remind me again, what's the link between ICT and Crystal Palace?

Brill Devine Warren Meekings Doran Tansey Draper Christie Shinnie Watkins Mckay Subs - Esson, Raven, Tremarco, Ross, Williams, Polworth, Horner Aberdeen are playing 4-4-2 with Rooney and Goodwillie up-front these days. A back three would mark them out of the game with the five to flood the midfield and Watkins alongside Mckay to give him some support.

Did you get a mandate from both clubs to use their crests?

FT - ICT 0-0 Saints FT - ICT 2-0 Saints ICT 1st scorer - Watkins Saints 1st scorer - Wotherspoon Time of 1st Goal - 63