Heilandee

Same old, same old, been going on since i started going to football, will still be going on when i stop going. Polis, politicians,football reps all meet,talk pish,agree how terrible it is,tell us all how bad behaviour will not be tolerated, so all diddy clubs will get policed even more strictly,the actual culprits will continue to sing what they want, pish where they want,stand where they want and not a jot will be done to change things,except average Joe in small groups will be targeted with football bannings to "make examples" and show how this behaviour will not be tolerated.

. You mean you are actually assuming Dundee will survive as a bona fide football club for at least 3 more years? Is that a yes or a no to the bet??

Don't you worry JB, plenty chances for bottles of malt to come in the not too distant i'm sure :drinking04: edited to add....in fact i'll go as far as bet a bottle of Balvennie double wood we play league games in the next 3 seasons (not including this one) bets void if ya pass us on the way doon.

trilaists dinnae get paid daftie,we're no allowed to sign or pay any new players the noo, guid result for ICT the day tho eh?

yer no wrang Yngwie

Turning out as a trialist for Dundee today V Partick, hopefully fully recovered from injury

Cue moaning about pitch conditions

Stick with yer principles JB,any one getting it up either OF is alright by me

Your admiration of the master of mirth from Knotty Ash is quite understandable with you being such a Diddy,Manny These take me back! :-)

I like to think my moral compass is as finely tuned as the next mans (or quines) but to suggest Dundee FC "trashed the incomes" of companies to survive is nonsense.Yes, the board once again gambled recklessly, but the culprits are long gone as the legal system does not hold them accountable and I'm not sure being morally outraged and refusing to support those left in a fit of indignation would benifit the existing creditors or current employees at the club,not to mention the many businesses who still benefit financially from there being a successful (or at least surviving) DundeeFC.(I would have left for good had De Stefanno been appointed!!) Your memory seems a little selective in who's been there,was the Clydebank take over by the liquidated Airdrie FC who reformed under the same directors as Airdrie United not far more morally reprehensible? Motherwell have also been there in the recent past and have risen back to the dizzy heights of euro football in Wales not to mention the 55 clubs in English top flight football who have been through the administration process....... Clubs been through administration sadly there are also scores of companies going into administration on a weekly basis current admin listings

Your quite right D,we were fortunate regarding few call offs due in no small part to the desperate efforts of supporters clearing snow and ice at 2 games to ensure they went ahead Apparently this is going toward "footballing debt" as they are counted differently to other creditors. I am not proud of the creditors list and as mentioned, know exactly how it feels to be shafted for outstanding debt via a CVA, but hopefully Bryan Jackson along with others will have ensured all dealings are done within the regulations ( whether you think these are moral or not is a different issue) I do agree with Alex that this really is the last throw of the dice though and any future financial wrongdoing will certainly see the end of Dundee Football Club This guy makes some valid points ,but again much is speculation and info gleaned from forums and newspaper gossip,it never fails to amaze me how many legal and financial experts spend much of their time on footy forums!! http://www.twohundredpercent.net/?p=10999

Cannae get the hang of the multi quote thing!! but ..... "Sorry, but I don't care who the administrator was or how well respected he might be, but if you are overseeing a business that is in administration then continuing to run it at a loss is not ensuring that creditors are going to get the best possible deal. What's more, I fail to see how running at a loss can be considered "ensuring viability". the fact is their was room for further cuts, and cuts that would not only have brought the club into break even but might have actually seen it make a few quid....money that could have gone to the people who were due more than 6p in the pound. What's more, the footballers would have been guaranteed their money at some point under the league rules in regards to paying footballing debt. Instead, Dundee FC have effectively held these players and paid them from the pot that should have been earmarked for the creditors. They got into the mess they are in by putting performance on the park ahead of business performance, learned nothing, and continued to do the same whilst in administration....instead of paying what they couldn't afford to win the league, they have been paying what they couldn't afford to avoid relegation.....that's giving the 2 fingers to the 25 point deduction as far as I am concerned." Not sure how much of that is fact and whats speculation,the administrator as i understand it is duty bound to get the best deal as he sees it for the creditors,we all know football is results driven and had we not been able to compete,it would have become obvious fairly quickly there was no chance of survival, crowds would have plummeted ,thus revenue,and any chance of recovery pretty much gone, which,with reconstruction on the horizon could have been terminal and may still be, but now we have a fighting chance and crowds are growing each week. Stirling i'm sure will reap a decent payday next Saturday on the back of our current run, not to mention many Dundee publicans who would have had a field day/night last Saturday,i'm pretty sure they are pleased the CVA went through and Saturday trade from the football with the thousands of pounds it generates weekly,will now continue, Also, many companies will now continue to trade, (on fairly strict terms i'm sure) which would also have disappeared. As i understand it the "football debt" is still to be covered in full and is treated differently from other creditors,which i'm not altogether comfortable with, although i'm a bit vague on this and i'm open to correction if you know for sure, many on P&B and other forums seem to be well versed all aspects of company administration just now. "I dont view us in any way as victims, and we certainly deserved a sterner punishment than previously for entering administration for a second time,but what i do disagree with is the judge and jury being a group of people who have an obvious vested interest in the outcome and can make up punishments as they see fit. Now that stinks!" "We've had this discussion before, Dundee FC were signed up to the rules as a member of the SFL/SFA and made little or no moves to change the situation prior to going into administration so don't have much room for complaint when they are held to account by it. Now that it looks like you are coming out the other side, it will be interesting to see if you continue to fight for a change to the system. If I'm honest, it's probably the fact that there's few signs that lessons were learned the first time round, and even fewer are being learned/taken on board this time round. Performance on the pitch continues to be put ahead of all else and even throughout administration this has been to the cost of others. The fact that other clubs will have witnessed it all and seen Dundee FC come out the other side with barely a scratch does little to deter them from doing the same....in fact, being able to wipe out the vast majority of your debt whilst maintaining a competitive squad and overcoming a 25 point deficit could almost be seen as encouragement for others to continue taking the risks they do with the finances." And we'll probably still be having it for years to come,as long as those making decisions are from competing clubs,surely an independent body is required for resolving these annual debacles,whether administration,promotion or other irregularities that crop up

Caley100, I've never had any bother from stewards whilst in the away end at TCS, even when pretty boisterous,but have had grief in the home end where they seem to be overly officious with the ICT support

Sounds like oor neebors were having the same problems yesterday Stewards at Tanny

TheKnowledge, yer post sure made me laugh out loud and of course you are correct in that the heavy handed authoritarian stewards will always win out,hugely frustrating as it is and happens everywhere to one degree or another, our own fine examples on both sides of Sandeman street being amongst the worst in the country and I watched Raith fans getting ejected for enjoying themselves and trying to create an atmosphere on Saturday. I consider myself law abiding,with self control and as such I used to go along and watch quite a lot of games as a neutral but coupled with cost, an unsavoury incident at TCS a few seasons back means i no longer tolerate being treated with disdain as a paying customer, so chose to spend my disposable elsewhere and were it not for a long and engrained loyalty would have long since ceased to attend football in Scotland at all.

First and foremost,you'll get no argument here that the list is shameful and most supporters i know are outraged that this debacle has occurred again,i don't know many who see the CVA as a victory but sure, it's a massive relief it went through. You seem surprised at the number of creditors,for a business the size of Dundee Football Club i don't see it as surprising at all, and whilst in no way trivialising any debts,more than 50% are under ?1000,I'm sure most clubs have list of creditors similar or worse at any given time, the CVA i was involved in as creditor was a far smaller company and had 58 business creditors. Not sure where you get the idea 2 fingers was given to the 25 point deduction,the playing squad currently down to 10 first team signed players, is a massively depleted version of the squad who were getting beaten (with no disrespect ) in August,from Brechin and Stenhousemuir under the previous management partnership,no one could have foreseen the resilience and determination Barry Smith and Rab Douglas would instill in the squad and with inspired trialists (FFS bringing on a 36 year old striker who hadn't kicked a ball in anger for 3 years!!) to score the winning goal against the league leaders is Roy of the Rovers stuff.Had we "taken our punishment" and laid down, still many points adrift at the bottom i suspect much of the morale outrage and indignation at our "cheating" coming out just now would not be so venomous. The current running and financing of the process is in the hands of the much respected Bryan Jackson,who, i would guess, is best placed to see the whole picture and i'm sure got the best deal possible under the circumstances,for the creditors whilst ensuring viability of the club as a business going forward. I dont view us in any way as victims, and we certainly deserved a sterner punishment than previously for entering administration for a second time,but what i do disagree with is the judge and jury being a group of people who have an obvious vested interest in the outcome and can make up punishments as they see fit. Now that stinks!

Posting at this time of night, surely pasta yer bedtime?

me! I bet you win!ha ha Can you fly if you're in traction? Ach, you ask so nicely PMF, but sorry, old caley girls getting it

Worked fine on Safari for me....who wants the top if i win the trip?

Superb :-)

Many happy returns to you and yer tattoo ya old soak

Affy sad news,some guitarist ,saw him with Lizzy at the Winter Gardens in Malvern, loudest gig I ever was at,and solo in Bristol,he sure could play them blues! RIP

:rotflmao: Fed up wi the wife nagging????

Complete with hands free car kit..

We covered the same groond Davie,these are all my memories as well,EX Harris,(left 76) Frews,(the first bar wi a unisex lavvy having just the one,we still meet at his new gaff on Starthmartine road pre Dens) Mrs Mennie ran a tight ship wi Connie and Calum, the best barman in the toon ,arab ***** and sadly gone, meh old man had the paper shop across fae the Balgay bar and VG store next door, Peddie street and surrounding was my paper roond, happy days, anyway better let this threed get back on Topic,mebbes catch ya for a pint one day,hope yer team win the night!!