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As per the first post and our rules of voting that we post at the top of every poll : Please make sure you vote for 3 separate players. If you make an error, let us know so we can fix it. PLEASE ONLY VOTE ABOVE IF YOU WERE AT THE GAME You can change your vote to whatever you want ... I don't care who you vote for in what position, its your vote, but please edit it to vote for 3 different players if you were at the game and want the vote to count. If you leave it as is, we will acquiesce to your request and the 'numpty response' you gave in the last question. Same applies to the other person who voted they were not at the game. This is the only external 'player of the year' competition that Ian Broadfoot includes in the official stats. It's included because of our close relationship with the club and our attempts to make sure the integrity of the voting is maintained. I am not going to let anyone whos taking the piss or just having a laugh jeopardise that.
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http://caleythistleonline.com/team/fixtures.html/ click on todays match
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POY poll and other updates will not be posted until later today (unless one of the other mods gets to it). going to be away from computer all day.
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THE MATCHDAY THREAD Discuss ICT & other games in this thread as they happen Aberdeen U20 -V- Inverness CT PREVIEW 2nd Sep @ 3PM, Glebe Park, Brechin Follow us on Twitter Follow us on Facebook Go to the Chatroom Media Coverage AUDIO COVERAGE BBC Sportsound BBC Sportsound [UK Only] LIVE TEXT (ONLINE) Sporting Life BBC VIDEO SPFL YouTube Channel ICT Official YouTube Channel TEAM LINEUPS TO FOLLOW Tweets by @ICTFC Tweets by @ICTFC
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not surprisingly, Sebastian Giovinco got the Player of the Week plaudits
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I had been trying to figure out how to voice my opinion on this one until Doofers Dad came along and basically said almost exactly what I was thinking. Enjoyment is fine, but like it or not, some things are against the law at a football match and flares and smoke bombs fall under that category. (covered under s. 20 of the Criminal Law (Consolidation) (Scotland) Act 1995) : reference material - http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2015/06/7094/7 / http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0052/00520637.pdf From the club perspective, how should they have handled it? Brechin complained to them, the police complained to them, some supporters complained to them, and the match observer reported the issue to the SPFL who have issued the club with an "unacceptable conduct" letter. We don't know the contents of that letter but it cant be good. These things never are. At best the club will get censured and told to make sure it doesn't happen again, but as it has already happened several times in the last couple of seasons then its far more likely to end up with the club getting a fine of some sort which will probably run into a few thousand £££s .... money that could easily be best spent somewhere else. D&E coaches are likely none too pleased either and that's another potential problem for the supporters/travel club in future. I agree that we want the supporters to be encouraged to make noise and atmosphere, regardless of age, although it has to be said the young crew have way more energy than us old farts do so it does fall on them to gee us all up ... but FFS you can do that without breaking the law. The law may be an ass, and personally I have a fundamental problem with the concept and draconian application of Football Banning Orders (https://www.mygov.scot/football-banning-orders/) but it IS the law and the authorities or those in charge will come down on those who choose to break it. Totally agree that the stewards can and will over-react, and that the direction of the over-reaction will often be the young supporters. Apart from anything else, the young supporters of a team like us, with a smaller support, are just like 'prey' in the animal kingdom ... seen as the easiest pickings. Its not right, but its how the world works. I have posted a few times about the dead atmosphere at the TCS on my last few trips back when compared to the football I watch every week here in Toronto, or even to the football I used to watch at the TCS every home game when i still lived in Inverness. It is really sad to see all the enjoyment being sucked out of football in the UK and its not just at ICT, its all around. We should encourage supporters to enjoy the game and create atmosphere but it has to be done safely. smoke and especially flares are not safe. The simple fact is that the authorities have the upper hand here. Get convicted of a football related offence and you can be banned for up to 10 years. Get a criminal conviction and it can follow you for the rest of your life .... Its a bit of a tangent, but did you know that something as simple as an impaired driving conviction makes you inadmissible to even enter Canada as a visitor (assuming you declare it on your landing form or they check !!!). Simple solution is to try and work with the club and/or other bodies to change the rules relating to smoke. It took a long time but they eventually relented on the safe standing issue, flags, smoke and other things could be something that could be negotiated in future perhaps. Again I go back to a Toronto example (sorry, its all I have on a weekly basis) .... there are a bunch of different supporters groups at TFC. One of those groups was called "North End Elite" who styled themselves in the Ultra culture and did not follow rules, especially as it related to smoke and flares. You can google them and read more but the bottom line is that they no longer exist under that name and quite a few of their number have lifetime bans from TFC as well as criminal convictions. The other supporters groups complained just as loudly that they wanted smoke or some form of pyro and it took several years but now its allowed ... there's a set of guidelines to follow and safety training and procedures to follow, but its allowed and it does add to the atmosphere.There are a good few folk on here who have visited Canada and come to games with me at some point who have experienced this atmosphere. Sometimes you have to work within the system and bend the rules or push the envelope a little to get them to change ... defiantly breaking them will not make that happen and if the group that condones it or does nothing about it doesn't 'self-police' to eradicate that behaviour then there is only ever going to be one winner and its not going to be the supporters !
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assuming its the same as the one at the top of the page I edited it
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We have uploaded the forms that Liz was talking about to the downloads section here : http://caleythistleonline.com/files/
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and this : http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-35402735 or this : http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2015/06/7094/7 I have (and continue to) experience 'smoke' at all the Toronto home games. For years it was banned but still the odd idiot would bring in flares or smoke. It caused a lot of problems at times. The biggest problem of course is that its not 'safe' smoke its road flares or marine flares that burn at ridiculous temperatures and I can personally attest to how scary it is when dripping flares fly over your head .... or its toxic smoke that has sent friends I know to hospital and myself to a friends house for some purely medicinal whisky when perhaps I should have gone to the hospital too !!! I had a voice that James Earl Jones would have been proud of for about a week !! A couple of years ago, TFC and the supporters got together to discuss the issue and get it under control. I am not party to the discussions as I wasn't involved but the basic outcome was the club trained some of the supporters groups in the safe use of appropriate pyrotechnics - which is smoke not flares. There is a rule for when it can be used (after a goal or other big game event) and of course it cannot be thrown onto the pitch. It still tastes horrible when it gets to the back of your throat but I am led to believe its 'safer' and it certainly hasnt had the same effect as before ... still probably not good for asthma sufferers though ....
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Could not agree more but unfortunately that's how it always has been and I fear always will be. Its not a disease peculiar to ICT but its no less frustrating because of that. As a former supporters club committee member back in the days when we were in the lower leagues, I applaud anyone who sticks their head above the parapet far enough to try and move things along or make things better whether its an official body like CJT or a small group of people trying to get things done around the stadium. Some will appreciate the efforts, others will not, but without those folk our club, our our supporters would not be so well served. As for the rules ... of course they are important, especially as it relates to CJT and the 10% voting share that could disappear if things are not all above board and legal. I appreciate that Liz has only just joined, but - much like the criticisms thrown at the board - others have been there for longer and may have had some role in the malaise that set in. Whats important now is that we/they move forward in getting or re-establishing a strong supporters group that can represent a broad spectrum of our supporters be they young or old, near or far, socially active or just plodding along ..... If CTO can help in any way by distributing forms or making things available for download or highlighting any surveys, polls or disseminating info in any way then we will be happy to do so. There's even an option to setup a separate 'club' section in this version of the software that could - if required - allow this group (or any others that may be relevant - like travel clubs etc) to have its own space. Wont go into detail but the info is here if anyone wants to read up on it : https://invisioncommunity.com/news/new-clubs-r1017/
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Yeah, camerawork not the best for the second and almost missed the third too .... I blame it on Montreal ! Seba Giovinco is just ridiculous at free-kicks and he has such a great partnership with Jozy Altidore its a joy to watch. There's a video somewhere on YouTube of all his Toronto FC goals and some of them are sublime. found it ... posted below. Contains all his goals up to July this year but he has scored 8 in the 9 games since then. The Bell is a Montreal thing they do every time they score (so not very often !) ... a bit like Portland Timbers have 'Timber Joey' a lumberjack who cuts off a huge chunk of a massive log after they score (not sure our police would take kindly to a man with a chainsaw pitchside !!! ... although maybe its a good motivator ! TFC just celebrate traditionally with the supporters going nuts !
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Off And Running Inverness belatedly got their season off and running with an ultimately convincing 0-4 win at Glebe Park, Brechin. First half goals from Iain Vigurs and a Brad Mckay header were added to after the break by Alex Cooper and Vigurs again. This win lifts Inverness off the bottom of the table. Brechin remain at the foot alongside surprise strugglers, Falkirk. Gary Warren missed out with a recurring ankle injury which paved the way for frozen out David Raven to return to the back four. Alex Cooper and Connor Bell started up front with John Baird, George Oakley was on the bench. Darren Dods named himself on the bench and had made three changes from the side that went down 3-0 at Inverness in the League Cup. Jordan Sinclair, Finn Graham and James Dale started with Gary Fusco and Ally Love on the bench. The Hedge was in pristine condition as the game kicked off with an enthusiastic away support backing the Caley Jags to get their first win of the season. They wouldn't be disappointed. Unfortunately, some of our more hyper juvenile fans never made it to the end to witness this first win. Let's hope they grow out of it. It was a low key opening quarter to the game with both sides struggling to create anything of note, other than a yellow card for the reckless Matt Elsdon. The deadlock was broken after 26 minutes when Iain Vigurs lashed a shot into the top corner with the aid of a slight deflection, the ball always looking destined for the back of the net anyway. Liam Polworth was the provider on that occasion. Soon after the goal, Connor Bell forced Smith to deny him his first Caley Jags goal, the keeper saving one handed from the wee striker. A second goal came along when Brad Mckay firmly planted his header back across goal and into the top of the net from an Alex Cooper corner. Liam Polworth was prominent in his free role and causing problems for the Brechin defence and he almost scored before the interval but his shot went wide. Half Time 0-2 Brechin felt a bit hard done by after making the visitors work hard in the first 45, but after the break Inverness imposed themselves on the game, but not before the aforementioned Matt Elsdon was removed from the field of play before he was sent off for persistent fouling, much to the chagrin of the home bench. The third goal duly came along when goalless striker John Baird neatly set up Alex Cooper who beat his marker inside the box and tidily stroked the ball early into the bottom corner, taking the keeper out of the equation with his brisk strike. Iain Vigurs was the unlikely scorer of the fourth goal when he raced to the front post to glance a superb corner from Polworth behind Smith to give the visitors a more convincing win. It was no more than we deserved as Brechin wilted. There was still time for Brechin to try for a consolation, but Paul McLean hit the post with his glancing header. That was enough to keep Mark Ridgers and his defenders on their toes and they saw out the game with the minimum of fuss. In fact, they almost notched a fifth but Graeme Smith blocked with his legs to keep the final score at 4-0 to the Caley Jags. Full Time 0-4 Just the result that John Robertson was looking for after the thrashing at East End Park a couple of weeks ago. Inverness were best served by two goal MotM Iain Vigurs with Liam Polworth and Charlie Trafford showing up well. Still a bit of work to do defensively, but the midfield now look capable of driving the team forward. I'm sure the return of Gary Warren will resolve some of the issues at the rear and Carl Tremarco is hopeful of a comeback soon, a possible outing in the forthcoming Challenge Cup game against Aberdeen U20's. Positive off the park with the Chairman addressing many of the issues and more positivity on the park with a comfortable win at Brechin. However, let's not get carried away with this result, but from small acorns etc, etc. A sterner test awaits in our next Championship game as we visit Paisley to take on high flying St Mirren, who trounced Dundee United 3-0 at the weekend. Here's a couple of observations from a pair of well respected fans who made the journey to Glebe Park. Alternative Maryhill went along with a touch of trepidation:- I was nervous about this after the absolute car crash of a performance at East End Park, but in the end it was more comfortable than I could have hoped. There wasn't a great deal in the first half - we probably had slightly more of the ball, but chances were pretty even. Looks like Vigurs got a bit lucky with a deflection for our first, and Mckay wasn't really challenged for his header back across goal for the second. We pretty much controlled the second half, though, and it was good to see the likes of Polworth playing with freedom and confidence. The key to our improvement over the past couple of games seems to have been the introduction of Charlie Trafford. I wasn't up for the Morton game, so this was my first look at him. He seems a very unfussy player and just sits in front of the defence, looking to break up attacks and then hold the ball until he can send someone away, but having him there allows Vigurs to try to dictate play a little further forward and allows Polworth, who looked much improved yesterday, to drive forward. Connor Bell also impressed, playing in a left-sided attacking role for most of the game before moving to the right when Calder game on, and I'd have him starting on one of those sides in place of Mulraney from now on. On the other side, Cooper contributed less, especially in the first half, but his movement and composure for his goal were excellent. I'm still unconvinced by our defence: Raven had a solid game, but Elsdon, Mckay and Chalmers are all capable of looking hasty in the challenge and uncertain in possession. They weren't troubled all that often, but against teams with tricky, pacey attacking players such as Cardle, they will struggle. Having Gary Warren and particularly Carl Tremarco back should make a difference, however, as much for their leadership qualities and presence as their defensive ability. It was great to see another decent travelling support getting right behind the team. The stewarding of the young team looked pretty heavy-handed to me, as if they were expecting trouble from the start. Otherwise, it's a cracking set-up at Brechin, with the wee bar beneath the stand and the ability to move easily between stand and terraces. A bit of a faff to get to from Glasgow if you don't drive, though, so I won't be bothering going up for this Challenge Cup nonsense against Aberdeen colts next week. Looking forward to the rest of September: intriguing fixtures against clubs I have't seen us play for a few years - St Mirren, Livvy, Dumbarton and Queens - and we should have a much clearer idea of how the team is developing and how we match up in this division by the end of the month. Caley Stan was yer man with these observations:- Good 2nd half performance after a shaky start. We reverted to a back 4 with Trafford sitting in front. Vigurs played further forward & Polworth was again given a lot of freedom. Connor Bell came in from the left to support Baird when we attacked. The 1st half was scrappy with few chances at either end. Although Brechin didn't create much, they had Elsdon & McKay flustered on a couple of occasions & must've returned from the break thinking they could still take something from the game. How wrong they were. We dominated them completely & should've scored more. Vigurs & Trafford bossed the midfield, repeatedly sending Polworth off to drive into space through the middle. Robbo's got him playing in his best position now, & the centre of midfield looks to have a nice balance. Date: 26/08/17 Venue: Glebe Park, Brechin Attendance: 703 Referee: Mat Northcroft Brechin City: 0 Lineup: Smith, McLean, Dyer, Dale, Graham (Love 67), Layne, Lynas, Spark (Watt), Orsi, Crighton, Sinclair (C.O'Neil 85) Subs (not used): P.O'Neil, Fusco, Dods Scorers: none Booked: none Sent Off: none Inverness CT: 4 Lineup: Ridgers, Raven, Chalmers, Elsdon (Donaldson 49), Polworth, Baird, Vigurs, Bell (Mulraney 79), Cooper (Calder 74), Mckay, Trafford Subs (not used): Esson, Oakley, Foy Scorers: Vigurs (27, 72), Mckay (32), Cooper (62) Booked: Elsdon (17), Cooper (63), Mulraney (92) Sent Off: none a
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Unless he gets a club in MLS which I think is unlikely given that the club in question would have to use up an international roster spot and there is already a glut of good keepers in MLS, you are talking about USL or NASL. No way the wages would be anywhere near what he is on now in those leagues. MLS Wages (GK) http://www.spotrac.com/mls/rankings/guaranteed/goalkeeper/
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2007-2015 were not great years for TFC. There were a few bright spots of mediocrity in an otherwise sh***y existence, yet the stalwarts continued to go and support the team through all of the highs and lows. Last year was was good even though we fell at the final hurdle, but this season has been amazing so far and TFC have already broken a few club records - with 7 games to go - such as most points in a season, most wins in a season and a few others .... now they are on track to shatter a few league records too ! Another fine win last night against rivals Montreal Saw this article on the MLS website today and it dawned on me just how close TFC's current team are to being the best performers in MLS. ever !!! Wow ! https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2017/08/27/chasing-history-toronto-fc-pace-one-greatest-seasons-ever With seven matches left to play in the 2017 regular season, Toronto FC are currently on pace to log one of the greatest single seasons in MLS history. Having already captured the 2017 Canadian Championship crown back in June, here are some of the other all-time marks within reach of the Reds: Supporters' Shield No Canadian club has ever won the trophy awarded to the team with the best record during the regular season. Toronto FC are nine points clear with seven matches to go. Toronto FC: 56 pts New York City FC: 47 pts Columbus Crew SC: 42 pts Seattle Sounders FC: 42 pts Chicago Fire: 41 pts Portland Timbers: 41 pts Most Points Toronto FC are chasing the LA Galaxy's 68 points in 1998 (shootout era) and the 67 points by the 2011 LA Galaxy (post-shootout era). Toronto FC are currently at 56 points with 21 points still available for the taking. LA Galaxy (1998): 68 pts LA Galaxy (2011): 67 pts San Jose Earthquakes (2012): 66 pts San Jose Earthquakes (2005): 64 pts Seattle Sounders (2014): 64 pts Most Points Per Game Only three teams in MLS history have registered 2.0 points per game or more. Toronto FC are currently second all-time: LA Galaxy (1998): 2.13 ppg Toronto FC (2017): 2.07 ppg* Miami Fusion (2001): 2.04 ppg San Jose Earthquakes (2005): 2 ppg * = 7 matches left to play Most Wins In the post-shootout era (since 2000), this record is held by the 2014 Seattle Sounders with their 20 wins. Toronto FC are at 16 wins with seven matches left to play. Seattle Sounders (2014): 20 wins LA Galaxy (2011): 19 wins San Jose Earthquakes (2012): 19 wins Six teams tied with 18 wins Fewest Losses Toronto FC will need to go undefeated the rest of the way to own this mark all by themselves: Toronto FC (2017): 3* FC Dallas (2010): 4 Real Salt Lake (2010): 4 San Jose Earthquakes (2005): 4 Five teams tied with 5 losses * = 7 matches left to play Most Goals Scored With 55 goals scored and seven matches left to play, Toronto FC will like their chances of breaking into this all-time Top 5: LA Galaxy (1998): 85 goals D.C. United (1998): 74 goals San Jose Earthquakes (2012): 72 goals D.C. United (1997): 70 goals LA Galaxy (2014): 69 goals Best Goal Differential The 1998 LA Galaxy (+41) and the 2014 LA Galaxy (+32) logged the best goal differential totals in league history. After their 3-1 win in Montreal on August 27, Toronto FC are currently at +29 (55 goals scored vs. 26 goals allowed). LA Galaxy (1998): +41 LA Galaxy (2014): +32 Toronto FC (2017): +29* San Jose Earthquakes (2012): +29 D.C. United (1998): +26 Real Salt Lake (2010): +25 * = 7 matches left to play
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Still my little guy's favourite player .... alongside Sebastian Giovinco. completely confuses my Canadian friends when they ask who his favourite players are
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Was also commented positively on BBC Sportsound about the '3 busloads' that came down ... they seemed impressed with the turnout .
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*** VOTING IN THE POLL ABOVE IS FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE AT THE MATCH ONLY *** If you were at the match, please use the poll above to vote for your top 3 players. As a bit of fun, we have also added an option to rate the referee .... Please make sure you vote for 3 separate players. If you make an error, let us know so we can fix it. PLEASE ONLY VOTE ABOVE IF YOU WERE AT THE GAME Anyone caught trying to cheat the system WILL be banned from voting in ALL site polls...this is your only warning. **NOT at the game ?** As a result of requests received, we have made a slight change to how these threads work for site users who watched the game on TV or listened to the full game live on the radio ....... You too will now be able to cast your votes, but should do it in the thread below, and NOT in the official poll above. Just list the three players of your choosing and award 5,3, or 1 point(s). You can give the ref a mark if you want too ! These votes will NOT be counted in the official total, as we only count votes from those who where actually at the game, but it IS a way for you to participate in the process .... which many people asked for .... a happy medium we hope !!!!!